From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 22 00:11:45 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DkzOj-00083R-5t for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:11:45 -0700 Received: from smtp.net4india.com ([202.71.129.73] helo=smx1.net4india.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DkzOY-00083J-T4 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:11:44 -0700 Received: from adsl-216-102-199-245.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net ([216.102.199.245] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by smx1.net4india.com with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DkzSs-0008AG-0x for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:46:02 +0530 From: Edward Cherlin Organization: Encore Technologies To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "by standard" "under conditions" Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:13:25 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <12d58c16050620114311a1f50d@mail.gmail.com> <20050620211054.GO32424@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <12d58c1605062014366852da8a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <12d58c1605062014366852da8a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200506220013.25455.edward.cherlin@etssg.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1530 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: edward.cherlin@etssg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Monday 20 June 2005 14:36, Adam COOPER wrote: > On 6/20/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 02:43:23PM -0400, Adam COOPER wrote: > > > I suppose examples of such gismu with all their places > > > filled would be ideal, if anyone's game. Thanks in > > > advance. > > > > Pick one. > > Guessing that concrete examples would be more instructive than > abstract ones, how about these: > > zgana x1 observes/[notices]/watches/beholds x2 using > senses/means x3 under conditions x4 Astronomer x1 observes Supernova 1987A using Keck telescope under conditions of "good seeing" (no haze, minimum twinkle) Pilot watches airport runway lights visually with visibility at 1000 feet Security guard watches military encampment entrance on infrared display in total darkness South pole research scientist observes solar neutrinos using AMANDA detector when temperature outside is -100 degrees F. Reporter observes war crimes with binoculars while under fire. > lenku x1 is cold/cool by standard x2 is cold compared with ice is cool for a summer day is cold for molten lava (near the point of solidification) OK, now pick another and try it yourself. -- Edward Cherlin, Simputer Evangelist Encore Technologies (S) Pte. Ltd. The Village Information Society http://cherlin.blogspot.com