From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 10 23:46:13 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Drs3R-0004Mz-BB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:46:13 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Drs3R-0004Ms-2F for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:46:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:46:13 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo pluja jufra Message-ID: <20050711064613.GS2449@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <42CD0CC3.2030304@yandex.ru> <20050710005841.GK2449@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42D100CC.80608@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42D100CC.80608@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 1563 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 03:04:44PM +0400, Aleksej R. Serdyukov wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >>.uinai lu lo finti cu jai gau simlu lo ka ba lo nu punji cu > >>galfi fi lo te vimcu be lo gasnu li'u ki'a > > > >An inventor/creator causes something to seem as though after > >putting it would become removed from the doer. > > > >Some context might be helpful. :-) > > It is in la nicte cadzu, about the sign about ratni festi. :-) That's not a lot of context. It doesn't give us any idea who "lo finti" is. Let's try the actual paragraph: > ni'o sy te preti lo nu terpa lo tilju ratni festi S asks about fearing the heavy atomic waste ("nuclear waste" was my goal there). > .i py cmila gi'e cusku lu na zasti P smiles and says, "Doesn't exist. > .i lo cmima pu zu finti lo vreji poi skicu ra li'u ju'e The members long ago invented the records which describe it." > lu .ue sai y xu sfasa su'o da lo nu punji ra ti li'u ju'e "Holy shit. Umm. Was there a punisher (should be "nu sfasa", I think) of someone/thing for putting it here?" i.e. "Did someone get in trouble for it anyways?". This is important, because now we know who "lo finti" is: the creator of the records that showed nuclear waste at Hunter's Point. > lu na go'i "Nope. > .i .io lo finti cu jai gau simlu lo ka ba lo nu punji > cu galfi fi lo te vimcu be lo gasnu li'u ju'e "It's really cool; the inventors made it seem that after the putting, there was modifying into something from which the doers were removed." i.e. "The people who made up the records also made it look like the records were altered to hide who put the nuclear waste here". I do remember having some trouble with that sentence, so if it's really totally incomprehensible, I'll try to re-work it again. > lu .ua mutce certu li'u ju'e "Wow. Well done." > lu mi tugni .i ku'i pu ku mi cmibi'o li'u ju'e "Yep. But that was long before my time. > lu .i ku'i ma mukti lo nu tcica gi'e nai fu'i terve'u lo dinju > li'u ju'e "But why the deception, instead of just the simple move of buying the building?" > lu mi'a mutce djica lo nu no da vitke li'u ju'e "We very much prefer that no-one visit us." > lu .u'i ru'e li'a sai li'u "Heh. No shit." -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/