From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jul 18 14:46:05 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1DudR6-0001en-Pc for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:46:04 -0700 Received: from s2.ukfsn.org ([217.158.120.143] helo=mail.ukfsn.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1DudR3-0001eV-QV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:46:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (lucy.ukfsn.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ukfsn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78950E6DA4 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:45:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.ukfsn.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (lucy.ukfsn.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01652-10 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:45:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from du213-130-142-95.as15444.net (du213-130-142-95.as15444.net [213.130.142.95]) by mail.ukfsn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165E9E6D64 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:45:19 +0100 (BST) From: "Kio M. Smallwood" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Hello Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:29:44 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Message-Id: <200507182229.45622.sekenre@ukfsn.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1577 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: sekenre@ukfsn.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hello, I am living in the Central Belt in Scotland, myself and several of my friends are interested in learning lojban. I have all of the teaching materials and I managed to find the Linux version of LogFlash (which works very well thanks!) My first questions are; -- How do you pronounce the lojban letter "y"? The examples given in the beginners book seem dependent on one's accent on how the sound is pronounced. -- Are there other jbopli in Scotland? Or people interested in learning? -- I tried to find the Audio files mentioned on the website, but was unsuccessful. What does lojban sound like? -- Has there been any effort to make systematic lojbanic names for scientific terms (eg chemical names) that do not use only the latin (or greek) roots? For example, SF author Poul Anderson created a terminology of chemistry and nuclear physics using only Celtic and Norse roots, called "Uncleftish Beholding". Is there, or should there be, a similar effort for lojban? -- Is the following a good translation of my name? curves cmaricfois Kio Smallwood In answer to Hal Fulton's question, > One thing I'm wondering about is how to lojbanise my name > (Hal Fulton). I've considered several cmene: > >    la 'al         (acceptable?) >    la xal         (an alternative, I guess) >    la 'al.fultyn  (first and last) >    la 'al.soki'os (HAL 9000) > I like "la xal" best since this is how a Spanish person would say it. In Spanish, it is not common to start words with just the breathy English "h" sound. I gather that it is not common in other languages either, so they would find "xal" easier to say than "'al" Thanks for your attention, Kio -- This is our knowledge at this time. If you're reading this after the collapse of our civilisation then it means that at least some of the methods we've used and documented here are evidently flawed. We hope that you don't make the same pathetic greed-driven mistakes that some of us did. Good Luck. --From Ralph deVoil 24 Jan 2004 New Scientist Letters Page.