From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 21 13:28:01 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1DvheD-0004rJ-3V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:28:01 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.206]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Dvhe7-0004r5-RP for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:28:00 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so86302wra for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:27:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Dv1dqKALXFhdq7k2nqOHBODOREMwtgiUdxIPDUW8dWreSrpT2B1bhEBEJ6eZILbPBMZgfLMuq2A1IpdJl4EZCP+OO1O0jx7nfoWJpYWTnwxyCK9bUA08a6KlXRh9TBStXjlSHPqP1Y0czEzwvvn7NpdwzINB7D1yj2fJ6nSrEAM= Received: by 10.54.139.7 with SMTP id m7mr705993wrd; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.125.8 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5ccdc7530507211327511c7e55@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:27:36 -0400 From: "J. Scott Jewell" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban Breakfast In-Reply-To: <200507211949.j6LJniTd014845@mole.e-mol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22168_31092071.1121977656525" References: <12d58c1605072109041d7b605f@mail.gmail.com> <200507211949.j6LJniTd014845@mole.e-mol.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1615 X-Approved-By: thatskotkid@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: thatskotkid@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_22168_31092071.1121977656525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The lujvo list floating around on the internet lists {jintitnanba} for=20 "donut", from djine, titla, and nanba. So, ring-ish-sweet bread? It works= =20 well enough for me. I finally settled on {joi} for the bread and butter,=20 though "bread in a mass with butter" brings up some very odd mental images= =20 in the English. Thanks for the help! - la cuncuxnas. On 7/21/05, Matt Arnold wrote: >=20 > I think it should be {lo djine}, meaning "a ring/annulus/torus/circle." I= f=20 > you say "I ate a ring," people will understand what you're talking about,= =20 > they just won't know whether it's an onion ring, a bagel, a donut, etc. b= ut=20 > it's good enough. If you like you could also use {lo nanba djine}, "bread= =20 > torus." > -epkat >=20 > lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: > >On 7/21/05, Newton, Philip wrote: > >> > >> I'd probably go for "joi" -- {mi citka lo nanba ku joi lo matne .e la > >> donat} or the like. > >> > >> mu'o mi'e .filip. > >> > > > >Does {la donat} work there? I don't think you want a cmene. How about {l= o=20 > me > >zoi gy donut gy} ? Or something like {lo titla ke rasyseljukpa nanba} ? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >> *From:* lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org [mailto: > >> lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org] *On Behalf Of *J.=20 > Scott > >> Jewell > >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:03 PM > >> *To:* Lojban list > >> *Subject:* [SPAM Verdacht] - [lojban-beginners] Lojban Breakfast - > >> Bayesian Filter detected spam > >> > >> coi rodo > >> > >> For no good reason at all, I'm trying to write the story of my morning= =20 > in > >> Lojban. All was going well until I got to breakfast. You see, I had=20 > bread > >> and butter (or buttered bread, take your pick) and a doughnut, and I'm > >> having trouble expressing "bread with butter, and a doughnut" without= =20 > it > >> sounding like I ate bread, butter, and a doughnut. I tried using gunma= =20 > (with > >> internal sumti for bread and butter), but that just sounds long and=20 > horribly > >> complicated, and also makes it hard to figure out just which=20 > terminators I > >> need before I can start talking about the doughnut. Any ideas on how t= o > >> express "bread and butter" concisely? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> - la cuncuxnas. > >> > >> > > >=20 > _______________________________________________________ > Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_22168_31092071.1121977656525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The lujvo list floating around on the internet lists {jintitnanba} for "donut", from djine, titla, and nanba.  So, ring-ish-sweet bread?  It works well enough for me.  I finally settled on {joi} for the bread and butter, though "bread in a mass with butter&qu= ot; brings up some very odd mental images in the English.  Thanks for the help!

 - la cuncuxnas.

On 7/21/05, <= b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Matt Arnold <mattarn@123.net> wrote:
I think it should be {lo djine}, meaning "a ring/annulus/torus/circle.&q= uot; If you say "I ate a ring," people will understand what you're tal= king about, they just won't know whether it's an onion ring, a bagel, a donut, etc. but it's good enough. If you like you could also use {lo nanba djine}, "bread torus."
-epkat

lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkin= gdom.org wrote:
>On 7/21/05, Newton, Philip < Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de> wrote:
>>
>> I'd pr= obably go for "joi" -- {mi citka lo nanba ku joi lo matne .e la>> donat} or the like.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e .filip.
>>
>
>Does {la donat} work there? I don't think you w= ant a cmene. How about {lo me
>zoi gy donut gy} ? Or something like {= lo titla ke rasyseljukpa nanba} ?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>> *From:* lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org [mailto:=
>> lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org] *On Behalf Of *J. Sco= tt
>> Jewell
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:03 PM>> *To:* Lojban list
>> *Subject:* [SPAM Verdacht] - [lojb= an-beginners] Lojban Breakfast -
>> Bayesian Filter detected spam
>>
>> coi rodo=
>>
>> For no good reason at all, I'm trying to write the= story of my morning in
>> Lojban. All was going well until I got = to breakfast. You see, I had bread
>> and butter (or buttered bread, take your pick) and a doughnut,= and I'm
>> having trouble expressing "bread with butter, and= a doughnut" without it
>> sounding like I ate bread, butter,= and a doughnut. I tried using gunma (with
>> internal sumti for bread and butter), but that just sounds lon= g and horribly
>> complicated, and also makes it hard to figure ou= t just which terminators I
>> need before I can start talking abou= t the doughnut. Any ideas on how to
>> express "bread and butter" concisely?
>>>> Thanks,
>>
>> - la cuncuxnas.
>>
&g= t;>
>

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