From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 24 01:41:32 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 02:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Dwc3A-0004N9-MD for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:41:32 -0700 Received: from smtp3.epfl.ch ([128.178.2.15]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Dwc35-0004N0-6a for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:41:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 1086 invoked by uid 107); 24 Jul 2005 08:41:25 -0000 Received: from mailav1.epfl.ch (128.178.50.190) by smtp3.epfl.ch with SMTP; 24 Jul 2005 08:41:25 -0000 Received: from (128.178.50.19) by MAILAV1.EPFL.CH via smtp id 0c03_a945fea4_fc1d_11d9_834f_001143d18479; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:33:50 +0200 Received: from imap5.epfl.ch (128.178.50.153) by smtp0.epfl.ch (AngelmatoPhylax SMTP proxy); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:41:25 +0200 Received: from [62.203.12.171] by imap5.epfl.ch (mshttpd); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:41:25 +0300 From: GREGORY DYKE To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Message-ID: <557525bffa.5bffa55752@imap.epfl.ch> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:41:25 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Parts of speech, parts of sentence X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1639 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: gregory.dyke@epfl.ch Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners > > I perceive a "gismu" to be a part of speech, and a "sumti" to be a > part of the sentence. I also see a "cmene" as a part of speech. > Is that reasonable? More or less. Except it is not really a correct term to call them "parts of speech", whatever the language we are talking about. In lojban, further more, the distinction is moot - there is no confusion anyway. In formal grammars, what you are calling parts of speech would be terminal elements and what you are calling parts of sentence are grammatical rules. The "parts of sentence" are all the rules of the grammar (of which there are a fairly large number) "parts of speech" are the various selma'o augmented by the _selma'o be zi'o_ which are CMENE and GISMU. See the reference grammar in Complete Lojban Language: all the rules are parts of sentence, all the terminals are parts of speech. mu'o mi'e greg