From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 16 21:15:34 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E5FKw-000358-3Q for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:15:34 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E5FKs-000350-Ky for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:15:33 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so65888nze for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:15:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pktAwHA+YQtmHf2InFLK0S8tiCn6GEAKSQNoSezpznBiwkvakK7kavnYdGuTpKj2nmDKbdhGCKgV94bN9Wd7yeCNjLlF+dLHV+4esGUL1ZFL17ZOU2eFLoe2RkT6SPkShmWZFsfRAucFM7F76yPKhuwyEv1mD6L9Zeh9b7cNgs4= Received: by 10.36.47.16 with SMTP id u16mr183497nzu; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.224.58 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <535730ee05081621156669146d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:15:29 -0500 From: Nora Kischer-Browne To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: <20050816083026.B664.SERVANTODEHOMARO@yahoo.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050813132329.EB51.SERVANTODEHOMARO@yahoo.co.jp> <535730ee050814221117c205d0@mail.gmail.com> <20050816083026.B664.SERVANTODEHOMARO@yahoo.co.jp> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1754 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: azetidine@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/15/05, Servanto de Homaro wrote: > coi .noras. (it's OK?) That's my name; wear it out as much as you like... > But I was born in May... (^_^) And I was born in November. It doesn't have to make sense. ^_^ > I know my English is strange although I've learned English ten > years (junior highschool: 3, senior highschool:3, university: 4), > and almost all Japanese are much the same as me: we haven't > mastered English at all. At least you guys try. I know of many American students who never take learning a second language seriously--and don't seem to take learning English terribly seriously, either. > There are serious *problems* in the > educational administration in Japan. (I'm not sure which word > is the best --- "problem", "question", "affair", "matter", > "issue"...) I don't know of a single educational system that doesn't have problems. > And many Japanese themselves have a greater > problem: they are extremely afraid of their errors in English, > they hesitate to speak in English, and they run away when a > Gaijin (a foreigner) want to talk to them. Understandably so; if someone wandered up to me and started to talk in Lojban, I'd definitely blush feriociously at my atrocious skills therein, if not run away myself. > But I'm not ashamed of my strange English because I'm not a > native English-speaker; my English errors are unavoidable. And, > IF MY ENGLISH WERE PERFECT, I WOULD NOT NEED LOJBAN! You would too! Lojban is awesome for its own sake. :P And Matt: Probably. Theoretically, I could do it myself--just wander over to a friend's house and get her hundreds of downloaded comics, then proceed with the photoshoppery... but I'm lazy. mi'e .noras.