From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 22 02:35:47 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E78iY-0000bh-FQ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 02:35:47 -0700 Received: from sparkle.rodents.montreal.qc.ca ([216.46.5.7]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E78iS-0000bZ-J6 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 02:35:45 -0700 Received: (from mouse@localhost) by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28585; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:35:37 -0400 (EDT) From: der Mouse Message-Id: <200508220935.FAA28585@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Erik-Conspiracy: There is no Conspiracy - and if there were I wouldn't be part of it anyway. X-Message-Flag: Microsoft: the company who gave us the zombie armies. Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:33:52 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V4 #162 In-Reply-To: References: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1804 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners > 4. It bothers me a tiny bit to talk about imperatives in connection > with logic. After all, "If it is raining, you will carry an > umbrella" seems (to me) fairly mathematical; but "If it is raining, > carry an umbrella" seems less so. The statment "If it is raining, I > will command you to carry an umbrella" seems more mathematical but > less in tune with the actual meaning. Does anyone have any thoughts > on this? "I command you make it so: if it is raining, you carry an umbrella". Surely that's fairly close to the meaning, and not too difficult to render into lojban? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B