From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 26 04:03:31 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E8bzf-0005TH-GR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:03:31 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E8bzc-0005T9-FB for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:03:31 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so316946nzp for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:03:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZO3zbkvQKA0fAtAn8xt8Oo4o+C8rqjM+Aqi3jZNHEaq1nAgg0UWRxcM9RQ3eT5bTfnl6hh3XflXp/L4vsRRZHpOHN++5iqrTAhqSLxUQTlLMqymy06vgMM5ECxVAsPrjs8PGVk46yEmRQTod2jS13T40FUazw3vV5NAthb0xy2g= Received: by 10.36.153.7 with SMTP id a7mr230603nze; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.67.6 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f3050826040314028909@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:03:27 -0500 From: Chris Capel To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1871 X-Approved-By: pdf23ds@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/26/05, Newton, Philip wrote: > la .ZAkyris. cu cusku di'e > > Or is se one of those cmavo that can > > be placed anywhere in a bridi, > > No. It has to precde the brivla it modifies -- but it modifies a brivla, not > necessarily a selbri. Well, it modifies a "selbri", but not necessarily the whole selbri of the bridi--it only modifies the next brivla-or-equivalent following it. But you can use it to modify a whole complex selbri, like this: le nu mi klama cu se ke drani tcika la daucac. According to CLL (5.11) this is a bit different in meaning than le nu mi klama cu drani se tcika la daucac. though the main selbri has the same place structure. Exactly how the meaning differs, I'm not really sure though. Whether anyone makes this kind of distinction in practice, I don't know. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)