From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Aug 28 20:26:15 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E9aHm-00053z-U7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:26:15 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E9aHi-00053s-8a for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:26:14 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so578703wra for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:26:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YOK5bDyLzKdy7DatpFodrw1X4X9FkIHCEK+3wZTahb5TNj3o/4TlzYlGyRLurImr85Cm4DE2rfTNG5DOVmGac5ItfwmQqrB2LNwoIVGFbIVcZP1aC4itjb62pyw2PDKXXoXIp9kOFYzSj8den2ZRTf8zEE+ax/NvepaUatP4jGo= Received: by 10.54.144.7 with SMTP id r7mr5817080wrd; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.140.6 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:26:08 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban flag, my take In-Reply-To: <431264D5.8070400@hypermetrics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <4310EE62.3060608@hypermetrics.com> <431264D5.8070400@hypermetrics.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1895 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners I have a hunch about why the existing official logo and flag (although not bad) is aesthetically weak. It's entirely lines. The lines are uniformly thin along their length, like that of a flimsy utilitarian wireframe rather than an arresting visual eye-catcher. My own tastes lean toward shapes filled with color and no lines at all; or at least when I make a logo with lines it's either thick bars, or dynamically-curved thick-to-thin strokes as seen in kanji ideograms. The idea behind the logo has always been good, but your implementation of it is a strong one. -epkat On 8/28/05, Hal Fulton wrote: > Matt Arnold wrote: > > I would recognize that as a Lojban flag even if I hadn't been told. I > > think the horizontal/vertical lines need to be thicker. > > I wanted to keep them a little thin so as to make it clear > they are more lines than bars. I'll look into it again. > > Hal > > > -epkat. > > > > On 8/27/05, Hal Fulton wrote: > > > >>I've noticed that there seem to be slight variations > >>in the Lojban flag (or variants on it). This isn't > >>unusual in vexillology, as there are variants on (for > >>example) the Vatican flag. > >> > >>So I decided to create my own variant. > >> > >>The basic changes are: > >> > >> - separated the circles in the Venn diagram, so the > >> center looks less busy and more balanced > >> - made the lines a little bolder > >> - removed the arrows from the xy axes > >> - extended the axes to the edge of the flag > >> > >>I've stuck it at: http://hypermetrics.com/personal/lojban.gif > >> > >>Comments? > >> > >>Hal >