From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 07 04:32:42 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ECyAT-0002Rx-MN for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:32:41 -0700 Received: from mailgw6.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ECyAP-0002Rq-8I for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:32:41 -0700 Received: from mailgw6.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw6.gedas.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j87BWYMt025199 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:32:34 +0200 Received: from blnsem08.de.gedas-grp (blnsem08.gedas.de [139.1.84.54]) by mailgw6.gedas.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j87BWYSV025193 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:32:34 +0200 Received: by blnsem08.de.gedas-grp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:32:34 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: three-letter gismu? Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:32:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1999 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Michael van der Gulik wrote: > After looking through the Lojbanic dictionary, I'm pretty > certain that a lot of words can be trimmed. E.g: > > mamta -> nimrir > patfu -> naurir > verba -> selrir > > Infact, I can't believe there are gismu for some of the > words. I would, for example (running finger down page) > never had made "vinji"-airplane. > Wouldn't varma'e be better? It is only one letter longer > and saves people needing to learn that extra gismu. This argument has been brought up a lot before :) The gismu list is not intended to be a minimal list of semantic primitives, but merely to "blanket" semantic space, with some overlaps, partly for convenience. mu'o mi'e .filip.