From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 22 08:00:01 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EISYL-0002wH-JO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:00:01 -0700 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EISYH-0002w5-Iy for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:00:01 -0700 Received: from mailgate.denbridgemarine.com ([83.104.25.50]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EISSs-0002iT-Go for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:54:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.denbridgemarine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE74E14D6A49 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:59:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailgate.denbridgemarine.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (helium [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12022-01 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:59:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from rhodium.elements (rhodium.elements [192.168.2.45]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mailgate.denbridgemarine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236FE14D6A46 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:59:53 +0100 (BST) From: Colin Wright Organization: Denbridge Marine Ltd To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Continuing with beginner vocabulary tools ... Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:59:51 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200509221146.25195.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509221559.51104.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at denbridgemarine.com X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2244 X-Approved-By: colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners >> What should we use as question/answer pairs for "cusku"? >> Clearly we want >> lojban: cusku, english: ? >> english: express, lojban: ? >> But do we also want >> rafsi: cus, english: ? >> rafsi: sku, english: ? >> rafsi: cus, lojban: ? >> rafsi: sku, lojban: ? >> >> Do we also want >> lojban: cusku x4, english: ? >> >> What should the questions be in this case to ensure that the >> user remembers *all* of the necessary information. > I consider the place structures to be one level of necessity > behind the gloss word, and the rafsi to be a level behind that. > > ... when I finish committing all the gismu to memory, ... > new flashcards for each gismu with {se} {te} {ve} and {xe} in front ... > When I've gone through all 3,000 or so of those, I'll start creating > flashcards to memorize rafsi. > > Considering that you want a reduced set of flashcards, you definitely > don't want to demand that rafsi be memorized. My thought has been that one card giving only english->lojban reviewed every day is about the same work as two cards, one for each direction, reviewed every other day. Each card has the same idea but in a different direction, so I wonder if "two cards half as often" is a better solution. It seems to me that memorising every gismu before starting on rafsi is suboptimal. It implies that you memorise seldom used gismu before memorising frequently used rafsi. Perhaps for each gismu there should be 10 cards, and that the initial review period is set to 5 days for each card. The semantic area is then reviewed every 12 hours or so, (growing as you succeed) but you get all directions of content. k.