From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 22 08:17:26 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EISpC-0003YL-Lh for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:26 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EISp8-0003YC-61 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:26 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r28so303351nza for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sPhax6wlf8s3v2Y35DHgol0SktTvfJY18hMwh2pJMI1cLhVNfCtvg1quxjXWnpjw9WumS4zzD4sKMYVxZiBkHqtZZonNNv0xO8T3ol/reNOI3FXv6rQLirgOmHzeRYvurypcYJYWADJQgmqDEnWo5+ldX6HQrxm2rZ52YW+bWlI= Received: by 10.54.152.14 with SMTP id z14mr3228922wrd; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605092208174f9a1c52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:17:21 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Just got my speakers back online... In-Reply-To: <737b61f305092207507992359e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <4332366C.2040704@hypermetrics.com> <737b61f305092207507992359e@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2246 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 9/22/05, Chris Capel wrote: > However, you're right to be more careful about these combinations in > Lojban, as different languages recognize different groups of phonemes > as being allophones, and thus "trat" and "tcrat" (in lojbanic > orthography) might be recognized as two different words. Indeed. For example {catra} means "kills", while {catcra} means "map-front". > I do have difficulty if the 'r' is after an 'n' > or an 'l', though. Spanish itself has those consonant combinations, > though, so maybe native speakers use a different, allophonic phoneme > for those combinations and I just never really noticed. Or maybe they > just speak Spanish better than me. :-( In Spanish "r" after "l" or "n" is pronounced like "rr". mu'o mi'e xorxes