From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 22 08:44:49 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EITFg-0003zW-Sy for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:44:49 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EITFe-0003zO-3V for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:44:48 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so259735nze for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZL40F4KNFrW0v4sxDFztGJLCICo14JhXBmKYqiswh/OefgBfNnF9/1sJ6qQGAa6k/ZVwtHqRRSLAgGz+8m42DzzoOVpnN1/pkPh+VIX3yHNjm9HVoSt4EcNcxZfMZHDHU359Bdl5yWtKRW67wwOIGQiYqvrrtZsa42bDA9YXv98= Received: by 10.54.111.2 with SMTP id j2mr105575wrc; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.142.3 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:44:44 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Continuing with beginner vocabulary tools ... In-Reply-To: <200509221559.51104.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7841_25890657.1127403884929" References: <200509221146.25195.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> <200509221559.51104.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2251 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_7841_25890657.1127403884929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > > I consider the place structures to be one level of necessity > > behind the gloss word, and the rafsi to be a level behind that. > > > > ... when I finish committing all the gismu to memory, ... > > new flashcards for each gismu with {se} {te} {ve} and {xe} in front ... > > When I've gone through all 3,000 or so of those, I'll start creating > > flashcards to memorize rafsi. > > > > Considering that you want a reduced set of flashcards, you definitely > > don't want to demand that rafsi be memorized. > > My thought has been that one card giving only english->lojban reviewed > every > day is about the same work as two cards, one for each direction, reviewed > every other day. Each card has the same idea but in a different direction= , > so I wonder if "two cards half as often" is a better solution. > > It seems to me that memorising every gismu before starting on rafsi is > suboptimal. It implies that you memorise seldom used gismu before > memorising > frequently used rafsi. > > Perhaps for each gismu there should be 10 cards, and that the initial > review > period is set to 5 days for each card. The semantic area is then reviewed > every 12 hours or so, (growing as you succeed) but you get all directions > of > content. > I'm not sure the jbo-->eng and eng-->jbo of the same word are necessarily the same piece of information. For that matter, not all pieces of knowledge associated with a given gismu are of equivalent importance. I think it woul= d be quite odd to learn the rafsi for word #40 before I learn gismu #200. It would be interesting to try to decide how much more often a word is used as a gismu than it is used in its rafsi form. Perhaps some means to determine this could be devised. -epkat ------=_Part_7841_25890657.1127403884929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
> I consi= der the place structures to be one level of necessity
> behind the gl= oss word, and the rafsi to be a level behind that.
>
> ... when I finish committing all the gismu to memory, ...<= br>> new flashcards for each gismu with {se} {te} {ve} and {xe} in front= ...
> When I've gone through all 3,000 or so of those, I'll start cr= eating
> flashcards to memorize rafsi.
>
> Considering that you= want a reduced set of flashcards, you definitely
> don't want to dem= and that rafsi be memorized.

My thought has been that one card givin= g only english->lojban reviewed every
day is about the same work as two cards, one for each direction, review= ed
every other day.  Each card has the same idea but in a diff= erent direction,
so I wonder if "two cards half as often" is a= better solution.

It seems to me that memorising every gismu before starting on rafsi= is
suboptimal.  It implies that you memorise seldom used gism= u before memorising
frequently used rafsi.

Perhaps for each gismu= there should be 10 cards, and that the initial review
period is set to 5 days for each card.  The semantic area is = then reviewed
every 12 hours or so, (growing as you succeed) but you get= all directions of
content.

I'm not sure the jbo-->eng and eng-->jbo of the same word are necessarily the same piece of information. For that matter, not all pieces of knowledge associated with a given gismu are of equivalent importance. I think it would be quite odd to learn the rafsi for word #40 before I learn gismu #200. It would be interesting to try to decide how much more often a word is used as a gismu than it is used in its rafsi form. Perhaps some means to determine this could be devised.
-epkat
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