From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 22 17:39:20 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIbay-0003mg-Ds for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:39:20 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIbau-0003mY-Vc for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:39:20 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so409085nze for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:39:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VSosflKn+LeXwlFxIa+FGZ5JyAkMgSrGl5069yD1fSNGlV3NwzBW+B8Pd3cDLmwH0ebc0QfaTxmbOCwsITB907GjZjka6AvXF99yeUxqk6k7rFWxLyJfJft8il3CENc6KBZbur3dGi9yx9aDgvms9JLZmKYg+Aiox0RZRkzMq5Y= Received: by 10.54.50.7 with SMTP id x7mr97886wrx; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560509221739947bfc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:39:16 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Holoalphabetic sentence? In-Reply-To: <4333486C.9010609@hypermetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <4333486C.9010609@hypermetrics.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2269 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 9/22/05, Hal Fulton wrote: > A "holoalphabetic sentence" is one that uses all the letters > of the alphabet. I knew them as "pangrams". > So: What can be done in Lojban? There's .o'i mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi > I would say that dot and comma don't count as alphabetic. I would say the comma certainly doesn't and the dot certainly does. The comma doesn't change the meaning of any word. The dot (glottal stop) is like any other consonant except it can't appear in the middle of a word. In fact it is the counterpart of the apostrophe, which can only appear in the middle of words. They could be considered alophones. > Has this been done before? If not, let's do it now. It's been done, but shorter ones are possible using longer lujvo. > By the way, I think real palindromes are impossible in Lojban > sentences. .o'u mi jdedji mu'o mi'e xorxes