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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:18:55 +0200
From: HeliodoR <exitconsole@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: logic in english sayings
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>
> denpa prenu
>
"x1 {na'e denpa prenu}" means that x1 is something but not a waiting person=
.
Not at all that the object doesn't wait for people.

 Neither time nor tide waits for any man/person.
>
NEITHER-NOR is NOT-AND-NOT, so its equivalent is {na.enai} or {na ... .a}
(negated OR).
 > > There does not exist "time" and there does not exist "tide" which wait=
s
> > for any person
 .i na da lo temci .a lo ctaru poi denpa lo prenu, perhaps?
Or am I speaking nonsense (it may happen)?
Anyway, I hope I could help a bit.
 mi'e xiLI,odor.

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<div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<p>denpa prenu</p></blockquote>
<div>&quot;x1 {na'e denpa prenu}&quot; means that x1 is something but&nbsp;=
not a waiting person.</div>
<div>Not at all that the object doesn't wait for people.</div><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<p>Neither time nor tide waits for any man/person.</p></blockquote>
<div>NEITHER-NOR is NOT-AND-NOT, so its&nbsp;equivalent is {na.enai} or {na=
 ... .a} (negated OR).</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&gt; &gt; There does not exist &quot;time&quot; and there does not exi=
st &quot;tide&quot; which waits<br>&gt; &gt; for any person</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>.i na da lo&nbsp;temci .a&nbsp;lo ctaru&nbsp;poi denpa lo prenu, perha=
ps?</div>
<div>Or am I speaking nonsense (it may happen)?</div>
<div>Anyway, I hope I could help a bit.<br>&nbsp;</div>
<div>mi'e xiLI,odor.</div></div>

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