From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 01 02:22:10 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EWtHO-00069q-2L for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:22:10 -0800 Received: from sp0190.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.190] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EWtHF-00069S-7T for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:22:04 -0800 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (82.13.33.167) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.038) (authenticated as josephine.shewellbrockway) id 435B0E490020606F for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:21:55 +0000 Message-ID: <436741C1.4040502@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:21:53 +0000 From: Jessica User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051011) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Difficulties and frustrations References: <26506d300511010109h106bca31q@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26506d300511010109h106bca31q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-archive-position: 2437 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: j.shewellbrockway@virgin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners All gismu have between two and four rafsi. Each gismu has two 'long rafsi'. These are: 1. The gismu itself (eg cukta) 2. The gismu minus its final vowel (eg cukt) Gismu may have zero, one or two of the following rafsi: 3. CVV (eg bangu => bau) or CV'V (eg cmavo => ma'o) 4. CCV (eg cukta => cku) 5. CVC (eg bangu => ban) {glinanmu}? Would this not be {gliprenu}, as maleness is not part of the definition? It seems strange and somewhat malglico (maldotco, malfraso, et cetera) to say that you are a 'glinanmu', but that I, or any other female native English-speaker, am a 'glininmu'. As for the necessity of writing it down, is that not simply due to lack of fluency? Any language, when you are first learning it, is hard to break down on the fly. When learning another natural language, most speakers tend to memorise 'stock' phrases, which is hard to do with lojban. It often goes unnoticed by fluent speakers, but English runs together a lot of words. We only actually pause when there is some kind of punctuation. fe'omi'e JEsikas.