From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 17 06:18:50 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EckbB-00042D-RW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:18:49 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eckb8-000423-JG for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:18:49 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so1699978nzd for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:18:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KMBBMmRo+NjmWHfh/UpWd3ly2AbUfi9IaM/vfEhSNiw3+5if47E+f3v00X0NbwBEpXB5Ux2rQ3QChXqZDA5vy7s80C2yQRONDN9FkcTa92q+BPDtUkjtwN7I1YSIngZ4+6SZNnhInUjPCwHbhvND9FwiS7m+a33P2XZ7wRxpzRg= Received: by 10.64.210.17 with SMTP id i17mr7308589qbg; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.204.2 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:18:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26506d300511170618h7bc5140fp@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:18:45 +0100 From: Thomas White To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: measuring language ability: AR611-6 In-Reply-To: <8b.33cc36ea.30add28d@wmconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <8b.33cc36ea.30add28d@wmconnect.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2591 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: winterwhite9257@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Thank you for this resource. After considerable trimming and filtering of the usual 'important-document' fluff, it really comes down to sections I to IV of 3-13. I like the system, and its descriptions of each level of skill being: 00 No Proficiency (06 in-between) 10 Elementary Proficiency (16 in-between) 20 Limited Working Proficiency (26 in-between) 30 General Professional Proficiency (36 in-between) 40 Advanced Professional Proficiency (46 in-between) 50 Functionally Native Proficiency It makes sense, and makes it relatively easy to situate one's self on that scale. For informative entertainment, one passage struck my interest with regards to lojban: Level 40 speaking proficiency Examples: "Can discuss in detail concepts which are fundamentally different from those of the target culture and make those concepts clear and accessible to the native speaker." - That's what I believe lojban could and/or should be used for (among many). It should be (is?) the "cultural U.N." of languages in which _concepts_ which are 'foreign' to various interlocutors can become clear. Neato :) On 17/11/05, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:22:33 AM Central Standard Time, > ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > > > > If anyone wants to know how far they've gotten with lojban, they can: > * consider how much vocabulary they know and use > * consider how well they understand written and spoken lojban > * consider how many grammatical "features" they know and use -- how far > they've made it through CLL and LFB > > It's probably easier to measure yourself than someone else. > > mi'e snan > > Appendix D of US Army Regulation 611-6 has the criteria the US Army uses to > measure language ability. > > http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/ar611-6.htm > > stevo