From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 17 23:38:57 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ed0pk-0004eW-Ph for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:38:56 -0800 Received: from dionysos.oderland.com ([213.115.211.26]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.54) id 1Ed0pi-0004eO-VR for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:38:56 -0800 Received: from handgran by dionysos.oderland.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Ed0p9-0007cM-Jb for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:38:19 +0100 Received: from 85.226.150.186 ([85.226.150.186]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user sunnan@handgranat.org) by handgranat.org with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:38:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <2653.85.226.150.186.1132299499.squirrel@handgranat.org> In-Reply-To: <3926.85.226.150.186.1132297833.squirrel@handgranat.org> References: <2967.85.226.150.186.1132286067.squirrel@handgranat.org> <20051118041237.GH20158@miranda.org> <3926.85.226.150.186.1132297833.squirrel@handgranat.org> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:38:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I've written a wikipedia article From: sunnan@handgranat.org To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dionysos.oderland.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lojban.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32082 32082] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - handgranat.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-archive-position: 2595 X-Approved-By: sunnan@handgranat.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sunnan@handgranat.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners > This early in the article's life (and I've just found out that the > jbo.wikipedia does have a stub template, which I'll add) I haven't gotten > to write about the american/european releases yet, only the japanese > releases. The japanese releases (with a few exceptions) were under the > name Demon Castle Dracula - akumajou durakyura. However, the name was one of the things I was concerned about, so your input is certainly welcome. I remember always wondering what the name meant, when I was a kid. My first theory was that it was a portmanteu of Castle and Transylvania. Which it probably is. I was also concerned about whether I'd gotten the following things right or at least ok: * vidni selkmi zilcmi for videogame series * fydysyskam and mysyxyskam for the FDS and the MSX (and how do I specify MSX 2?) * the year; I tried to find information about lojban's date format but all I found was flamewars on whether it should be big- or little endian. The gismu list seems to imply little endian so that's what I used (even though I'd prefer it the other way around, iso-style). I'm especially concerned since years and dates are something I'd like computers to easily parse. ---- More about sel+rafsi: When I first found out that lojban had rafsi, I was super disappointed. "Only have to learn the gismu, my leg! I have to learn all these unpredictable short forms, too?" But after figuratively drinking the kool-aid (and using the language) I've come to like them. Lojban still has plenty of things I think is really the Wrong Thing (I'd love to rant!) but I've accepted the rafsi. That position is not carved in stone, I definitely do see the arguments against them, but I currently feel that I do like them. And sel+rafsi (or ter+rafsi) is probably my favourite way of using them -- it's a way to get new valid words without having to bother with seljvavjo. It's probably malswedish of me but I like that the words change, like "arrive" can change to "arrived" in english. I'd probably sooner switch to "selgismu" than "se gismu".