From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 22 18:12:00 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Eek75-0005TB-UP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:12:00 -0800 Received: from mx3.mail.ru ([194.67.23.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eek73-0005T4-9H for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:11:59 -0800 Received: from [212.17.3.19] (port=13932 helo=yanis.vpn.plhs) by mx3.mail.ru with esmtp id 1Eek71-0004s0-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:11:55 +0300 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:11:52 +0600 From: Yanis Batura X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <608084419.20051123081152@mail.ru> To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Subject: [lojban-beginners] Complex Tense -> Sumti In-Reply-To: <925d17560511221023s23ae9a37ic0438bb0b5ec9867@mail.gmail.com> References: <1488445752.20051122225731@mail.ru> <925d17560511221023s23ae9a37ic0438bb0b5ec9867@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------1E13E8A22A654B" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2654 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------------1E13E8A22A654B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lojban allows attaching multiple tenses to a selbri, producing quite compli= cated expressions. For example,=20 mi puza vu ga'u ne'i ve'i klama means "Some time ago, I was walking in a distant place, above, within, for = a short distance". That could be said to me by a man who had been walking t= houghtfully in his house situated high in the mountains, and which had then= descended to the valley where I was standing. Generally, the string of cmavo puza vu ga'u ne'i ve'i has a certain idea th= at is then applied to selbri klama and modifying its meaning. So, is there a way to carry this idea painlessly to a sumti, in order to in= sert it as an abstract notion of space/time and other philosophical matters? For example, to use as x2 in ciksi: I explain you the idea of "in a distant place, above, within, for a short d= istance". Or another one: The boss said: "I've lost my eyeglasses. Find them!" The subordinate answered: "I will! I will search for some time around here!" The boss said: "I don't like "for some time, around here"! I want "instantl= y, the whole area!"" In this rather strained dialog the boss talks abstractly about searching ch= aracteristics which are in Lojban expressed as a complex tense. Is there a = way to work it out? Yanis Batura Happy Learner of Lojban ------------1E13E8A22A654B Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lojban allows attaching multiple tenses to a selbri, producing quite com= plicated expressions.

For example,

mi puza vu ga'u ne'i ve'i klama

means "Some time ago, I was walking in a distant place, above, within, f= or a short distance". That could be said to me by a man who had been walkin= g thoughtfully in his house situated high in the mountains, and which had t= hen descended to the valley where I was standing.

Generally, the string of cmavo puza vu ga'u ne= 'i ve'i has a certain idea that is then applied to selbri = klama and modifying its meaning.

So, is there a way to carry this idea painlessly to a sumti, in order to= insert it as an abstract notion of space/time and other philosophical matt= ers?

For example, to use as x2 in ciksi:

I explain you the idea of "in a distant place, abov= e, within, for a short distance".

Or another one:

The boss said: "I've lost my eyeglasses. Find them!= "

The subordinate answered: "I will! I will search fo= r some time around here!"

The boss said: "I don't like "for some time, around= here"! I want "instantly, the whole area!""

In this rather strained dialog the boss talks abstractly about searching= characteristics which are in Lojban expressed as a complex tense. Is there= a way to work it out?

Yanis Batura

Happy Learner of Lojban

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