From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Nov 23 04:46:36 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Eeu1E-000166-46 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:46:36 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.203]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eeu1B-00015y-8R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:46:35 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so852955wra for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:46:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UjQPYJkm2/dSXCV/mRQ3oRBxhJBtoUrYgH+4mE5/28Vp8CBJpzxJhbq9b/i4uPIYP0t77b8Q+MUqb60W4vOmJpU0m4yWPtihAjeDvI1usYPqs5XUT6nw6EbvwklHPof0m/5+lRTG9yi034XR70unCiZgnNy/wbfwN2JF7kYXOM4= Received: by 10.54.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr3637280wrb; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.5 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:46:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560511230446u5269d532w9da3e5e70f4d760e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:46:32 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Parallell 2 In-Reply-To: <1132710158.24462.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2d3df92a0511210955k5ec743aek7c006453069e02f6@mail.gmail.com> <43820DCA.5080906@virgin.net> <20051121181929.GP20158@miranda.org> <1132710158.24462.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2658 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 11/22/05, Sunnan wrote: > Relating it to lojban; what are the proper terms for free software and > gratis software? Is nonjdima a good word for gratis? I'd say {nonseldi'a}, "zero-priced". >How is zifre to be > used for free software? I used it earlier in this thread because the > gismu list has "unfettered/unrestricted" as two of it's "adjective" > forms. {lo samselpla cu zifre} is wrong but is {mi nelci lo zifre > samselpla} also wrong? > Is zifre perhaps the wrong word altogether? I'm not so sure that {lo samselpla cu zifre} is wrong. I think perhaps one could say {lo samselpla cu zifre lo nu se galfi}, "software is free to be modified". In other words, the event in x2 of {zifre} is unconstrained, and the x1 of {zifre} is one of the participants of the event, not necesssarily the agent. Or perhaps the x1 has to be necessarily the agent? I don't know. mu'o mi'e xorxes