From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 15 12:14:55 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EmzV8-0005Nx-Mg for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:14:54 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmzV6-0005Np-Je for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:14:54 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so438619wri for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uCIXz1uGdo7LV7BKp34+7zOWLoddAIHYKdJz4vl7DPrLpaL84fvIe2EFlUiFwlYUMoyzRKdTZAC3W7ZgXlP3u+LZuoSADmbpiaIH7fjmi7Sc4KxoD9XgMVsVzuBiu+ODCCzAavE9Xp2aZiFmbc9evPLPKcJByhcm/QGuwJlDDK4= Received: by 10.54.110.11 with SMTP id i11mr2655378wrc; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.1 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:14:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560512151214x6716351eq54f6e550da67443a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:14:51 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Noob In-Reply-To: <20051215191453.GN3616@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <439C4CC4.6000507@bilkent.edu.tr> <20051211172310.30556.qmail@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2d3df92a0512140542m403606a2oe652c74e07b40771@mail.gmail.com> <20051215191453.GN3616@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2791 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 12/15/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Nothing has changed because the BPFK hasn't finished. Until we do, > everything we do is subject to change. *Some* people are choosing > to take what we've done so far as gospel, but that doesn't mean that > anything has actually changed. It might also be worth pointing out that almost nothing *will* have changed even when the BPFK *has* finished (if that ever happens :) The language is extremely stable and practically all the work of the BPFK has been on clarification and sorting out of minor details. I think it would be extremely hard for people to find past texts that were in accordance with CLL and not in accordance with BPFK. (Now, texts that violate CLL in one way or another are extremely easy to find, because nobody has total mastery of the language and a large propoertion of texts are or were written while learning the language, but that's a different issue.) > When it *does* change, we will publish change pages to go with the > old CLL; we have no intention of making the old CLL useless. In fact if there ever is a second edition of the CLL, the BPFK contribution will probably amount to a few footnotes here and there and not much more. We do enjoy making a big brouhaha when discussing "changes" to the language, but anyone who stops to examine what the changes really consist of can see that it's mostly much ado about nothing. mu'o mi'e xorxes