From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 28 09:22:11 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Erf07-0000DM-JO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:22:11 -0800 Received: from adsl-63-197-122-98.dsl.sktn01.pacbell.net ([63.197.122.98] helo=synx.dyndns.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Erf04-0000DF-DT for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:22:11 -0800 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by synx.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1022F3FE6EF for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:22:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:22:02 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Alveolar =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C2=BF?= Coronal Message-ID: <20051228172202.GA9979@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 From: Tasci X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2843 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojban@synx.dyndns.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I was trying to learn more about the pronunciation of c and s in lojban. I was under the impression that c was the English sh, but they say that's {tc} in the handbook. It says here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=195&page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar that c is an "unvoiced coronal sibilant," and that s is an "unvoiced alveolar sibilant," but wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_consonant says pretty clearly that Alveolar is a subset of Coronal. That would mean s is an unvoiced coronal sibilant too. By "unvoiced coronal sibilant" did they mean "unvoiced dental frictative" as wikipedia defines it? That would mean c is the English 'th' as in 'thing', and s the expected sound for my native tongue. Or is c postalveolar, like the English 'sh' as in 'ship'?