From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 28 10:12:48 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Erfn6-0000sj-5B for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:12:48 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Erfn3-0000sa-7I for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:12:47 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so497627wra for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:12:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YyS59PkPOcAETDLtL6tk18m04M1dGc9HpqOKnyKFBrhMBH0TpT8v6zTWYL9kWn0Trw+8MagdQSFsmVisScrCi6I+8tahAOmdm2VLWFwOlySe4ctQp5zHNYmuNebzXlUag8jYARzmBFrLz3NK4BPzHcz5/tRK2sdQfD5P0SV2mzE= Received: by 10.54.126.20 with SMTP id y20mr7016647wrc; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.7 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:12:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560512281012w668d8079q42dc8677ee519183@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:12:43 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Alveolar =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C2=BF?= Coronal In-Reply-To: <20051228172202.GA9979@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051228172202.GA9979@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2844 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 12/28/05, Tasci wrote: > I was trying to learn more about the pronunciation of c and s in lojban. > I was under the impression that c was the English sh, That is correct. > but they say > that's {tc} in the handbook. Which handbook? Lojban {tc} corresponds to English "ch". > It says here: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=195&page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar > that c is an "unvoiced coronal > sibilant," and that s is an "unvoiced alveolar sibilant," but wikipedia > here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_consonant > says pretty clearly that Alveolar is a subset of Coronal. Lojban {c} is the "voiceless palato-alveolar fricative" of the wikipedia article. mu'o mi'e xorxes