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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi ...
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> > You and xorxes have mentioned "rule of ordering". But
> > with the construction like {lo ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma
> > kau} you construct time of event (parameter which is
> > used for ordering). So may be it is better to speak
> > not about rule but about parameter which is used for
> > ordering? If it is the case, I do not understand why I
> > cannot use {lo tcika be lo nu mi penmi ra} as the
> > ordering parameter.
>
> I wouldn't go as far as to say you cannot use it. All I say
> is that {lo tcika be lo nu mi penmi ra} refers to a time, and
> {lo ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma kau} refers to a mapping
> from people to the time they are met by me. I don't know
> how much is worth bothering making this distinction.

I don't know you, but me, if I see a clock time in the place of an ordering
rule, then I would think of the clock time as *the ordering rule*.