From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 10 05:24:26 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FHhbV-000703-RB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:25 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FHhbT-0006zw-T1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:25 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i32so643066wra for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SWW7ziI4rybzf/aTeIR3Hd3MgwLauk97K1UCXayJ67ObRNc2OgLly1z1yisO18f7flUYlzqNSbyDZA1tzDec3qbDXCZv3F7qEePRwJgLjQLeg55YjT18c2oYuxYaXhpZSzhFbccHxE+9UOCxERUBdlgogEvMiSyA/TFG+9y9LnU= Received: by 10.54.77.2 with SMTP id z2mr665800wra; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.69.3 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560603100524j618d9438gf73653655f765426@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:24:22 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V5 #41 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <200603091940.OAA29975@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> <925d17560603091205n151e936v3e3189bde0e8263d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3094 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 3/9/06, Alex Joseph Martini wrote: > Is the point here to decide how {pritu} aught to be defined, or how it > currently is defined? This issue seems to be getting a little blurred. I think the problem is that the current definition is unclear: "x1 is to the right/right-hand side of x2 which faces/in-frame-of-reference x3 [also: x3 is the standard of orientation for x2];" If we simply take x3 to be the frame of reference, then all is well. For example, if x3 is a person, that person's intrinsic right hand side is right. But then what does this stuff about x2 "facing" x3, or x3 being a standard of orientation for x2 has to do with anything? x2 is supposed to be a positional reference for x1, only its position should be relevant, not its orientation, if it has any. mu'o mi'e xorxes