From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 05 07:14:56 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnFr6-0005Gp-3O for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:14:56 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnFqz-0005FZ-8m for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:14:55 -0700 Received: from i8d.ixazon.lan (i8d.ixazon.lan [192.168.25.141]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DCECBDC4 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Hi and lots of questions Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:13:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606051013.11318.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-archive-position: 3223 X-Approved-By: phma@phma.optus.nu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sunday 04 June 2006 20:12, Antonio Soriano wrote: > 4. It is not difficult for Susan to understand that Zhang left. > (Hint: try it as "To understand that Zhang left is not difficult for > Susan.") > > the answer given is: .i {lenu jimpe {lenu la jan. cliva}} na nandu la > suzyn. my answer: .i la suzyn na nandu jimpe lenu la jan cliva This is true if Susan understands easily, but it's also true if Susan doesn't understand at all. > 5. At 22:15, Susan wants to meet Jyoti at 22:45. > > answer given: ti'u li rere pi'e pamu la suzyn. djica {lenu penmi la > djiotis. ti'u li rere pi'e vomu} > mine: le nu la suzyn djica le nu penmi la djotis. ti'u li rerepi'e pamu Sentence fragment (although a sentence consisting only of sumti is grammatical). Also you have only one time. > is there a flaw in my answers?, or they could be possible answers for > the questions? > > also I find very difficult to distinguish between the sounds of 'b' > and 'v' and 's' from 'z' and how to pronounce 'y'. Any advice you > could give me? gleki fa lo spano noi sebau ke'a zo jmive me zo pinxe Beati Hispani quibus vivere bibere est. ;) For 'b' the lips close completely; for 'v' they don't. For 's' and 'z', say "rescate" and "rasgado", then drop the 'g'/'c' and make sure you can still distinguish them. For 'y', say 'a' with your mouth half-closed. > also, if I am not wrong, 'tc' is pronounced like spanish 'ch' right? Yes. > one last thing, from another exercise: > lenu tivni la SEsamis.strit. cu se tcika li ze ("The broadcasting of > Sesame Street is at the time 7:00." The cu is actually necessary, > here, even though it follows a cmene; can you work out why?) > > actually... I can't...I am guessing it is because of the event > abstraction, but I still dont know why it is needed. Without {cu}, {nu tivni} is modifying {se tcika}. So x1 is "the televising Sesame Street event with time", x2 is "seven", and there is no verb. phma