From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 28 11:28:51 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvemR-0001nq-3m for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:28:51 -0700 Received: from mx7.mail.ru ([194.67.23.27]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvemO-0001ng-Tu for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:28:50 -0700 Received: from [84.204.201.250] (port=26176 helo=[10.15.28.10]) by mx7.mail.ru with asmtp id 1FvemM-000LJp-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:28:46 +0400 Message-ID: <44A2CAB7.4090807@mail.ru> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:30:15 +0400 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Once again about le and lo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-archive-position: 3307 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ratson@mail.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Please help me to check myself. Assume following two utterances: 1) .i lo ratcu cu citka le cirla 2) .i le ratcu cu citka le cirla .ije ra ratcu Are (1) and (2) equivalent? Actually, before writing the message I thought that they are. But now, I think it is not so, because of implicit quantifiers. Now consider following utterance 3) .i su'o lo ratcu cu citka le cirla Is it equivalent to (2)? I believe, it should. PS Sorry for sending it to main Lojban list, it was unintentional mistake. Of couse, this message is for beginners list.