From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 03 14:45:31 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GUs4x-0003rt-6V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:45:31 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GUs4u-0003rh-NI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:45:31 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so401377nfa for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AatOb6eiXVp7DqQeHMhqmWp2MYSJTD/3+eRLdgvp2e2AGongVBrnL+vzeIYA8mocZx5+ujqACvv/nR3V9IcesYcAbAIDL79ghgTsgfok4mhhb2AEYZa2+9gTjt8MKKgN9I2Wa1SA2Xnj5TDU/9WVK525nQqhGP6N2dliS26nyYM= Received: by 10.78.204.20 with SMTP id b20mr5057095hug; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.144.3 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:45:26 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lightbulb In-Reply-To: <241e6b720610031415y33825031yd2ead1d89dc98c8d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <241e6b720610031415y33825031yd2ead1d89dc98c8d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3606 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/3/06, Daniel Adamec wrote: > What {sumti tcita} would be used for 'because' in a response to the query > "why is the light bulb bright?". (apologies for the simplicity of the > sentence). > I had thought {ri'a} because there are several physical causes (the switch > being moved to the 'on' position, the electricity moving through the > filament, etc.). > Also, because it is (presumably) a working light bulb and has a sufficiency > of electricity correctly applied, there could be a certain amount of logic > involved (perhaps including {ni'i}) (improbable but...) > While I doubt that this is a correct usage, there is also a human factor, > because had one not moved the switch, the light would not have activated > (barring a house fire of several thousand degrees!!). > I am probably making the problem more complicated than it really is, so once > again I apologize for the simple explanation I will no doubt receive from > several (rightfully) exasperated {jboprenu} > mu'omi'e daixel > You could use any of those. As you have demonstrated, they're all true. But which one you use depends on which one was used to form the question! In Lojban, you'll know what the question was really asking, because it will be {ri'a ma}, {mu'i ma}, {ni'i ma}, or the like. -epkat