From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 15 07:37:51 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GZ77f-0002YG-Ap for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:37:51 -0700 Received: from ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.44]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GZ77c-0002Y3-2M for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:37:51 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (cpe-66-68-161-49.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.161.49]) by ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9FEbjRn023753 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:37:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <453247B9.3060808@hypermetrics.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:37:45 -0500 From: Hal Fulton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (X11/20041209) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: problem References: <9ea0266d0610120211gd3e5557p8dd2970b19f39571@mail.gmail.com> <9ea0266d0610130733td0d909u603eef56708b711c@mail.gmail.com> <200610131245.30672.phma@phma.optus.nu> <9ea0266d0610131038g1bd60479ja8f74a745c8cd0fa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ea0266d0610131038g1bd60479ja8f74a745c8cd0fa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3637 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: hal9000@hypermetrics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners UrchinStar47 wrote: > > I was still asking about lojbanic ['], I can't fiure it out. > > I was asking for help from someone who understands my language and > might be in a better position to help me (and to know what I'm > asking). I'm not a language specialist, and that bunch of mails didn't > realy help much. > I will try... The Lojbanic ['] is usually pronounced like the English h... not like the Scottish ch or either the hard or soft ch of German or the Greek version(s). Imagine a cold winter day where you want to make a cloud of you breath -- that is the approximate consonant you would use. The throat is fully open and relaxed, as are the lips -- there is no constriction, and no real motion of the glottis or uvula or lips or tongue. It's a simple puff of air through an open pipe. Does that help any? Hal