From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 28 22:10:11 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpIe3-0004IL-47 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:10:11 -0800 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpIdt-0004H9-KL for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:10:10 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so1540680uge for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:10:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rhh67F6zFF48INZ6B0zFx52wdbSpP3V2KSyZgj7xSGfgOqP8gJ3RiSiQ8u1B76uj5FVyCYxOepqmmRezwvb7n+Cfag9DCRggaGci5Rlj+AwlaXizQ/lU2N5x3mhwaIkk7m/g75clOFN5yaH/WjR5cA9vPfsxDnKhzLk0ruaIVu0= Received: by 10.78.193.19 with SMTP id q19mr1776051huf.1164780599522; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.131.5 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:09:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:09:59 -0800 From: "Theodore Reed" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Questions re: proper translation/syntax In-Reply-To: <295931.67951.qm@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21028_25123128.1164780599483" References: <295931.67951.qm@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 3719 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ted.reed@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_21028_25123128.1164780599483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 11/28/06, Gene Mosley wrote: > > Hello again. > > Please help me out with the following. > ===== > [do ca tavla] > you present-time talk > - or - > now you're talking > > or is there a better way to express this sentiment? > ===== > This one is more complicated. > In a mini-lesson on lojban.org it says that: > > [da tavla ta] = someone talks to that person > > [do tavla zo'e mi] = you are talking about me > > [zo'e tavla mi do] = someone talks to me about you > > So, does [da tavla mi] = [zo'e tavla mi]?? > > Are they both = someone talks to me?? > > Both [da] amd [zo'e] were used for "someone". > > I thought [zo'e] was like a place holder for sumti > that were not important. > In this case, they are functionally the same. The difference is that in "da tavla da", someone is talking to himself. da (like de and di) is a variable. In any given scope, multiple instances of da will refer to the same thing, where with zo'e, the multiple zo'e can (but need not) refer to different things. In the simple case of the examples, they both functionally mean "someone". -- Theodore Reed (treed/bancus) www.surreality.us ------=_Part_21028_25123128.1164780599483 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 11/28/06, Gene Mosley <lojban@mosleyfamily.org> wrote:
Hello again.

Please help me out with the following.
=====
[do ca tavla]
you present-time talk
- or -
now you're talking

or is there a better way to express this sentiment?
=====
This one is more complicated.
In a mini-lesson on lojban.org it says that:

[da tavla ta] = someone talks to that person

[do tavla zo'e mi] = you are talking about me

[zo'e tavla mi do] = someone talks to me about you

So, does [da tavla mi] = [zo'e tavla mi]??

Are they both = someone talks to me??

Both [da] amd [zo'e] were used for "someone".

I thought [zo'e] was like a place holder for sumti
that were not important.


In this case, they are functionally the same. The difference is that in "da tavla da", someone is talking to himself. da (like de and di) is a variable. In any given scope, multiple instances of da will refer to the same thing, where with zo'e, the multiple zo'e can (but need not) refer to different things. In the simple case of the examples, they both functionally mean "someone".

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Theodore Reed (treed/bancus)
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