From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 29 08:22:04 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0KUd-0004rO-50 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:22:03 -0800 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0KUR-0004qt-6N for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:22:02 -0800 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (hive.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.14]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id kBTGLh2j029882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:21:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBTGKH5H020870; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:20:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kBTGKHLq020867; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:20:17 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: hive.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:20:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pu'i? In-Reply-To: <0A4A8D28-8EBF-49B7-8CB8-5E3F225F0F09@mindspring.com> Message-ID: References: <0A4A8D28-8EBF-49B7-8CB8-5E3F225F0F09@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3854 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Cortesi wrote: > Something strange to me in the gismu list around line 952, > > > pu'i pus can and has modal aspect: > > can and has; demonstrated potential... > > and just a few lines later, > > > punji puj pu'i put x1 (agent) puts/places/sets x2 on/at > > surface/locus x3 ... > > Is that not contradictory uses of pu'i? How can it be both a rafsi and a > cmavo? This is a FAQ: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Frequently+Asked+Questions+About+Lojban#T3 Quoting from it: [[[ Isn't it confusing that some rafsi are identical to cmavo? No, it isn't. In theory you can tell completely from the neighboring syllables whether something is a rafsi. This is how the computer is able to parse Lojban without understanding its meaning. For example the dei in bavlamdei ("tomorrow") is a rafsi for "day," not the cmavodei, a special pronoun meaning "this sentence." We know which is which because Lojban words can't end in a consonant, so deimust be a part of bavlamdei; "bavLAM" can't be a whole word. (No, it can't be a name, either. Names end with a consonant followed by a pause, written as a ".") In practice you can also use your knowledge of the meanings of the words to help with this; it is possible to think up a sentence like la bavLAM. dei cusku, "Bavlam says this sentence.", but it is not likely in practice if you don't know anyone named "Bavlam"! ]]] -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ "Do you have a lighter?" "Why?" "I need to see if this is gasoline." --Charlie Hinderliter