From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jan 18 08:56:57 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H7aZJ-0006XF-N6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:56:56 -0800 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H7aZ8-0006Wx-GU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:56:51 -0800 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:56:31 -0500 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007011811563103462 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:56:31 -0500 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:56:31 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: FW: quantified number sumti, fences, and meshes Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:56:31 -0500 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41AF@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <93D64BBD-C6F6-43A5-B0B8-80D8192872FD@umich.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: FW: quantified number sumti, fences, and meshes Thread-Index: Acc7H4v2sukjcawKQ3mGM9FIifH2XQAAJAQQ From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2007 16:56:31.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AB32620:01C73B21] X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Score-Int: -23 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3909 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Can you describe in long form what exactly you mean by "2 2's" ? With no context I can't really tell what you want to say. I thing that you are actually using an English idiom that means "two Things that are measured in some way to be 2 units", ie two sticks that are both 2-meters long would be 2 2's, or two pipe fittings that are standard size #2 or some such thing. Although, now that I think on it, things that are just associated with the number two can be called 2's. Like if a teacher makes three versions of an exam and numbers them 1 2 and 3. She can have 2 2's sitting her desk, waiting to be graded. ----- Well, I was originally going to say something like (teacher to 5-year-old): "Alex, the group of 3s that you have written are very neat, but your 7 2s are crooked", but then I thought that would necessitate getting entangled with "lerfu" or "sinxa", and not what I wanted at all, so that's why I tried to give an example that required an actual number as a sumti. (Another example I decided against was with house numbers (the numbers used for addresses on houses) -- "The 2 1s are falling off the door". But I felt it would fail for the same reason as the last example.) But surely there must be some context imaginable where we can talk about "*li re re" analogously to le re verba just as we can talk about re li re analogously to re le verba. --gejyspa