From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jan 18 15:20:54 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H7gYv-0005Zv-5H for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:20:53 -0800 Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H7gYq-0005Zo-1D for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:20:52 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=bDs29i3wrHa649PTgWqUy89yqR5VTnVkL4guqbteHV3uu9j5Q4d557ySe41fCox5; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.165.170.185] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H7gYo-0002pg-IP for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:20:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200701172102.14050.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <8A34D4EB-0E3C-478E-87D8-BB7443624363@mindspring.com> <200701172102.14050.phma@phma.optus.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cortesi Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM lines 1 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:21:10 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-ELNK-Trace: c82619e33d1ea3219c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d587f13062636472b8c5ad9875112a305350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.165.170.185 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Score-Int: -18 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 3914 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dcortesi@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Jan 17, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > {noltruti'u} is one word. {noltru ti'u le cupra}... (is something > very other) I'm concerned about a basic thing here: was audio/visual isomorphism dropped along the line? (I don't want to reopen any old wars if so.) It seems to me that a person reading aloud would pronounce {noltruti'u} and {noltru ti'u} exactly the same, or too closely for a human or computer to distinguish them. But you (also Ted) say there's a semantic difference. Should {nobli turni tixnu} == "Princess" be noltruNti'u or such, to keep CC glue joints? DC