From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jan 23 13:48:14 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9TUy-0007mT-Kr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:48:13 -0800 Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9TUo-0007mF-PG for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:48:11 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=d5tCZgU+aJYWommUqGyd7C9poq4nn6rp6ayVoOaUfdPsnjz6N4MloI0DGczt1gfc; h=Received:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.84.127] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H9TUn-0006hG-08 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:48:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Message-Id: <1F820080-F970-4A37-BC88-3AE472E14A41@mindspring.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-155652047 From: Cortesi Subject: [lojban-beginners] POM: the Princess puts her foot down Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:48:16 -0800 X-ELNK-Trace: c82619e33d1ea3219c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d9f203d9f6b1d534c09a791900a10dacf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.84.127 X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Score-Int: -16 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 3937 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dcortesi@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --Apple-Mail-1-155652047 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Explanation of what's going on, and preceding dialog in this scene, at: http://www.tassos-oak.com/tempp/barsoomian.html The Princess's yacht captain warns her they are going down in: JARL THON lo cacra li me'i pa .ije. SUPER: Less than an hour, and... hours-counted-as a-number less-than 1. And, ti ru'u tutra lei ri'opre SUPER: These are Green Man lands nearby surrounding territory-controlled-by those described as green- persons .i. e'u .ei ma'a carna fi le berti .ibabo ma'a sraku le dertu SUPER: We should turn North before we scrape dirt. (suggest)(obligation) we-all turn toward the north thereafter we scrape the dirt DEJAH THORIS .ie nai cai! La Eliym rursegunta .i. ki'unai SUPER: No! Helium is besieged. Even so, (rejection)(strong) Helium is-subject-of-encircling-attack. In spite of that piro La Barsum se ckape .ije. La Eliym ba terskicu SUPER: All Barsoom is in peril and Helium will be told All Barsoom is-imperiled and-logically Helium will be-told .i. ai sirvoi ca [lo?] li'i ma'a kakne .ijebabo ai cadzu SUPER: Fly straight while we can, then walk (intent) straight-fly during experience-of we are-able; and-then (intent) walk I would like to say Helium MUST be told -- but I don't see how to tersely say that. The line is already too long for emphatic speech or for the actor's comfort. I'm still confused about the syntactic roles of selma'o PU. It appears from some examples in the ref.gram. that [bridi] ca [abstraction] is how to say this-while-that, so "fly straight while we can" is just {sirji vofli ca [lo?] li'i ma'a kakne}. True? Also confused about NU such as li'i -- when is it needful to have a LE before a NU? --Apple-Mail-1-155652047 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Explanation of what's going = on, and preceding dialog in this scene, at:
http://www.tassos= -oak.com/tempp/barsoomian.html

The Princess's yacht = captain warns her they are going down in:

JARL THON

lo cacra li me'i = pa .ije.

SUPER: Less than = an hour, and...

hours-counted-as a-number less-than 1. = And,

ti ru'u tutra lei = ri'opre

SUPER: These are = Green Man lands

nearby = surrounding territory-controlled-by those described as = green-persons

.i. e'u .ei ma'a carna fi le berti .ibabo ma'a sraku le = dertu

SUPER: We should = turn North before we scrape dirt.

(suggest)(obligation) we-all turn toward the north thereafter = we scrape the dirt

DEJAH THORIS

.ie nai cai! La Eliym rursegunta .i. ki'unai

SUPER: No! Helium = is besieged. Even so,

(rejection)(strong) Helium is-subject-of-encircling-attack. In = spite of that

piro La Barsum se ckape .ije. La Eliym ba = terskicu

SUPER: All = Barsoom is in peril and Helium will be told

All Barsoom = is-imperiled and-logically Helium will be-told

.i. ai sirvoi ca = [lo?] li'i ma'a kakne .ijebabo ai cadzu

SUPER: Fly = straight while we can, then walk

(intent) straight-fly during experience-of we are-able; = and-then (intent) walk


I would like to say Helium = MUST be told -- but I don't see how to tersely say that. The line is = already too long for emphatic speech or for the actor's = comfort.

I'm = still confused about the syntactic roles of selma'o PU. It appears from = some examples in the ref.gram. that [bridi] ca [abstraction] is how to = say this-while-that, so "fly straight while we can"=A0 is just {sirji = vofli ca [lo?] li'i ma'a kakne}. True?

Also confused about NU such = as li'i -- when is it needful to have a LE before a NU?




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