From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 24 08:27:39 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9kyI-0005wV-Bj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:27:38 -0800 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H9ky9-0005wI-Nc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:27:38 -0800 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:27:14 -0500 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007012411271420092 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:27:14 -0500 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:27:14 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:27:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4021D41DF@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <328E7862-66E6-4D8D-BB0E-57B7BA7E106E@umich.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down Thread-Index: Acc/01af8DIShgSKSF+wktWnPVKlswAAFnRQ From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2007 16:27:14.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[81C3D4E0:01C73FD4] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3950 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Phonemic (remembering that ai,oi,ei, and au are diphthongs, therefore single syllables). All non-cmavo, non-(cmene-where-otherwise-indicated) words, are stressed on the penultimate syllable, unless those syllables have a y in them, in which they are not counted. fu'Ivla, kalcyTA'u, PAFygau. Okay? --Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Alex Martini Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:15 AM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: the Princess puts her foot down I think part of the issue is that Lojban actually has 2 kinds of syllables, or two different ways to break a word into syllables. As far as making words is concerned, it seems that y'y doesn't "count" as a consonant or a vowel. This lets us have a lot more cmavo than we would otherwise have. But when pronouncing Lojban, y'y has to break a syllable. My confusion is around stress -- do you assign stress based on the morphological syllables or based on the phonemic syllables? Or am I still thinking about y'y from the wrong angle? mu'o mi'e .aleks.