From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 31 13:31:16 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HCN2x-0002OS-Gp for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:31:16 -0800 Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HCN2U-0002OB-9f for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:31:14 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=id0ktMg1sKzWAHK3yUXjTXm2txqCSDtyXWu48IxF3YTyqH9uen0K8GFciWeeIFdj; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.93.108] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HCN2R-0001AK-My for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:30:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <925d17560701311056q75125bb5nb6b4317c775f0df@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701301847.40197.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560701311056q75125bb5nb6b4317c775f0df@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5457C609-2C07-4F3C-8CCF-241E41B10C91@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis From: Cortesi Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: set the course as I said Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:31:17 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-ELNK-Trace: c82619e33d1ea3219c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d4a8a87f649f213863f0b4ae079666821350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.93.108 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 X-Spam-Score-Int: -22 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3976 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dcortesi@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > {me'imoi} is "other-than-last". I don't see how that is better than > {pamoi} > when there are only two things being compared: "the Green Men take > you" > vs. "our own ships find us". There is only a first and a last, so > "other-than-last" > is the same as "first". As you say, "before" seems better, but because > Lojban conflates "before" and "in the past" it could also be > confusing. per the cmavo list, {me'i} is PA3 "less than" so {me'imoi} = less- than-as-an-ordinal-value which seems like it should mean "Always-first". Whatever other ordinal number you might have in mind, {me'imoi} is less-than it! This being able to make any PA into an ordinal is cool... but it makes me wonder what {me'imei} (less-than-as-cardinal) would mean. Always-least?