From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 31 14:30:01 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HCNxo-0003NA-3H for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:30:01 -0800 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HCNxj-0003N1-CH for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:29:59 -0800 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so211353ana for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:29:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gcRMhAf14TRSAJNXNcHLnslmc+10yxuCVUlLpc64OztLHjkXLg+78PegYCz7rKu+1+XCwnAGNe7cQ+ehrui/UIc8fq4oQFnuOnvw/3o4QXFg+FwujN6suo3cuWURNVI0eXFy7jMeagzaVdKpq0KH7WMX12Y+idast67eauk8wnw= Received: by 10.49.8.15 with SMTP id l15mr1549763nfi.1170282589087; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.12 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:29:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560701311429v2eda3c53r4e91034e0da673c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:29:49 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: POM: set the course as I said In-Reply-To: <5457C609-2C07-4F3C-8CCF-241E41B10C91@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200701301847.40197.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560701311056q75125bb5nb6b4317c775f0df@mail.gmail.com> <5457C609-2C07-4F3C-8CCF-241E41B10C91@mindspring.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Score-Int: -23 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 3977 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/31/07, Cortesi wrote: > > per the cmavo list, {me'i} is PA3 "less than" so {me'imoi} = less- > than-as-an-ordinal-value > which seems like it should mean "Always-first". {me'i N} is "less than N". {me'i} by itself defaults to {me'i ro} "less than all" = "not all". This is one of the four quantifiers of Aristotle's term logic, along with {ro}, {su'o} and {no}: ro broda cu brode All Ss are P. su'o broda cu brode Some Ss are P. no broda cu brode No Ss are P. me'i broda cu brode Not all Ss are P. {ro moi} means "last", and {me'i moi} = {me'i ro moi} is other-than-last, i.e. before last. {me'i moi} would cover first, second, third, ... up to next-to-last. In the case when there are only two members in the sequence, {me'i moi} will collapse to {pa moi}, "first". > Whatever other ordinal number you might have in > mind, {me'imoi} is less-than it! This being able to make any > PA into an ordinal is cool... but it makes me wonder > what {me'imei} (less-than-as-cardinal) would mean. Always-least? {me'i ro mei} in principle would be a group consisting of less than all of its members. This is not very meaningful, because every group consists of all of its members, so if {me'i mei} is to acquire any meaning it will probably not be {me'i ro mei}. mu'o mi'e xorxes