From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 02 12:52:39 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HNEk3-0007Zm-Dn for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:52:39 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.81] helo=hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HNEjy-0007Zf-5K for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:52:39 -0800 Received: FROM [192.168.123.137] (66-227-151-160.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com [66.227.151.160]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45E88E54.53F82.23065 ; 2 Mar 2007 15:51:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070302185850.25D107E47@bender.tigertech.net> References: <200703021541.KAA10214@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> <27AD232D-3038-4E47-82F8-8BA0DD66CB5F@umich.edu> <20070302185850.25D107E47@bender.tigertech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <31431F14-3A65-4723-81C7-1EB3AF6DAE49@umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #30 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:51:30 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4091 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Carl Lumma wrote: >> What I was trying to say (and apparently didn't express well) >> was that, in an audio CD course, it would be easier to learn the >> Lojban >> terminology a little at a time after teaching some phrases and >> vocabulary. > > What I was trying to say is that I'd rather not learn the > grammar at all -- I'd just like to learn to speak it. That's > the real test of a language anyway. All of you who are interested > in testing the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis can't hope to get any data > before people are speaking it fluently. > > -Carl I'm going to assume you mean you don't want to learn any named grammar. As in, you don't care what the stuff is called, you just want to learn how to use it. If you don't have any grammar at all in a course, all you'd learn from it would be a bunch of words in isolation and rote phrases. That would be helpful for the intermediate students who already know most of how to make sentences in Lojban and want to expand their vocabulary, but not ideal for the beginner. If we made something like the Pimsleur style CD, we probably wouldn't have any reason to name the grammar stuff anyhow. None of the CDs from Pimsleur that I've listened to do either. And that's how you learned your first language, so I find it more natural than purposely memorizing a set of rules.