From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 15 10:53:39 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HRu8w-0007mJ-Qr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:53:39 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HRu8w-0007mC-0W for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:53:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:53:37 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: spofu pemci Message-ID: <20070315175337.GN20104@digitalkingdom.org> References: <925d17560703150735gc19cbear949637e8b3464e6e@mail.gmail.com> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C1E@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <925d17560703150812g5dbf5055k2a4b6a42112c1283@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <925d17560703150812g5dbf5055k2a4b6a42112c1283@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 4145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:12:57PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote: > I don't think the tanru {dansu je sanga je gleki} can have as its > x2 a conflation of the x2's of dansu, sanga and gleki. What would > that mean? The place structure of a tanru is the place structure > of its last component. I disagree. If there were a following bit, say {dansu je sange je gleki broda}, then I'd agree, but I see no tanru connection there, only logical connection, albeit of tanru type. From the CLL, chapter 5: It may be used to partly resolve the ambiguity of simple tanru: 6.7) ta blanu je zdani that is-blue and is-a-house definitely refers to something which is both blue and is a house, and not to any of the other possible interpretations of simple ``blanu zdani''. Therefore, each element of a tanru JA is equivalent to every other element. I don't see how this gives the last one primacy, despite that being the tanru default. It's worth noting, however, that both xorxes and I are talking out of our assses: this case is *not* explicitely covered in the CLL, and I think that's OK. This is a case where Bob would probably say that we should let usage decide, and this is enough of a corner case that I'm fine with that. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/