From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 05 09:48:17 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HZV8D-0001TZ-Cc for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:48:17 -0700 Received: from web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.39.218]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HZV88-0001TQ-VU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:48:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 57597 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2007 16:48:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=5aYgWH5sNJo8JiuqYshv6ZJYUh/SNRzgn3bDb2boqDZtpIy3LucpCdIRZrJL9BHJ+4mA0h35OYYtIDEkLYRYZLqreTIsuc4W437rlyjxTIIIwtEQkgKhngx0jJVLmrYxs2hwDd4dJBMzQ13ut9fdrg/DFUlHywqQYBZ5i5JFols=; X-YMail-OSG: g0ynhycVM1nayPhpVczDdEoC3C0.eoJ6BUZFTp7XhlS.zCR9 Received: from [74.96.97.233] by web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:48:06 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Now what? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Message-ID: <540020.54772.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -5 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hi everybody! I've just completed Lojban For Beginners and want to move on. The question is: what's the best way to go? I think that what I will probably do is the following three things in parallel: 1) Work on vocabulary (I'll try Quizlet). 2) Read through the on-line Lojban Reference Grammar. 3) Work through some texts. However, I've encountered some problems, so some advice from you experienced guys would really come in handy! Please note, I am not a linguist, software programmer or mathermatician, so some of the past English-langauge responses in this mail-list are difficult to follow (technical jargon etc). So here are some of the problems: 1) There are a lot of texts available, but whenever I click on one, it's either incomplete (e.g. Everyday Lojban, The Prophet), or it hasn't been completely proofed (e.g. Berenstien Bears), or the translation was done by some mysterious CV machine (e.g. Alice In Wonderland) and presumably has not been proofed by a human. Now what I need is a completed text that is EASY (that's why I tried the Berenstein Bears), COMPLETE and PROOFED (how does the proofing process work anyway?). So, in addition to enlightening me on the whole text thing, please suggest some texts for me. 2) The on-line Lojban Reference Grammar is superbly written and should be easy to follow. However, I understand that the section on articles has not been updated with the Xorxo change (when will it become official and when will Lojban For Beginners and the Reference Grammar be updated?) and that there are actual errors in it (or is that just in the printed version?). As a general comment (please correct me if I am wrong), my impression is that lots of things get started, but few get completed before some new thing gets started instead. I would love to see one easy, complete and proofed text recommended for beginners. Sorry, but computer games (which I undersatnd are using up considerable Lojban resources) as an early learning tool do not turn me on. We all learn in different ways. Regards to all Andrew