From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 11 15:24:21 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HblEh-0003eL-RM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:24:20 -0700 Received: from web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HblEf-0003e8-10 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:24:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 10211 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2007 22:24:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=2Qmj2LBRx0fm7inSjPsRnv+C/h65Nq159T6kVOUQ3uc1tVV0CTwYcXP32KHfJMsXcXpHLts0umCB1Ngttgce8qc7+/vvuZbBi2MkwwS6jwQrUCmwbXh025ghlHLQQJmU2vAjw4AIMh9jY4Byuo0TspjO3eJLTBDlsp4TIN/1pjQ=; X-YMail-OSG: Vq4MrXgVM1kvpo6agxRWUttV2fGCV47vB9Rs9xix7ORCn3RU_jgmoSda6MJeLq6S7zS_251tbIQ47PW6Q5UWhZsJSgjr5V024kxnij_WWxDUkWtRpIqj Received: from [74.96.97.233] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:24:10 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Message-ID: <437726.10208.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -5 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I guess that after this exchange of messages, I'm still not clear. I thought the context was obvious since I mentioned the country names came from Wikipedia (I understand I should stay clear of it from now on). In Wikipedia, each country has a page describing it. So the typical sentences would be: - China is a country in Asia which.... - The area of France is...... - Canada is bordered by... So the correct lojbanic names seem to be (Jorge): - le or la jugygu'e - le or la fasygu'e - le or la kadnygu'e But which is preferable? And if it is la, doesn't that mean that the name is a cmene - and should end with a consonant? A separate issue that has come up is the choice of rafsi. Can I use jugygug instead (Philip), and does that effect the choice of article? As a general comment, I'm finding some of the answers difficult to follow. Examples (complete sentences) would really help. - Andrew ----- Original Message ---- From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:56:16 AM Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? Both Pierre and Jorge are right, of course, about "la". It can name something that shares the same name the country (e.g. the band America), and lo would definitely be correct if you wanted to unambiguously state you are talking about the country. "le" would be useful if, for example, as a talk show host, you really mean "that portion of the country that agrees with me, the rest of which isn't really America". I retract my previous statement. --gejyspa