From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 14 19:50:09 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hcuob-0005hK-6V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:50:09 -0700 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.93.160] helo=skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcuoX-0005hC-75 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:50:08 -0700 Received: FROM [141.213.221.81] (bursley-221-81.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.221.81]) BY skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4621929F.A46AD.14176 ; 14 Apr 2007 22:49:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200704132034.37253.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <24392.36438.qm@web56403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <426987.29483.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070414000902.GH27657@digitalkingdom.org> <200704132034.37253.phma@phma.optus.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:49:02 -0400 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4249 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners More translation... For example, ".kot.divuar." is a single cmene, but two cmevla. Another example -- "jbofi'e" is a cmene but is not a cmevla. There is nothing that *is* a jbofi'e (lojbanic fish), only something that is *named* jbofi'e. (That last sentence is a bit of a rough translation. The original says that the thing that is a jbofi'e (or is named jbofi'e does and doesn't exist, respectively.) On Apr 13, 2007, at 8:34 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 13 April 2007 20:09, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> zo cmevla cu se smuni lu cmene valsi li'u .i va'i pa cmevla ro roi >> valsi pa mei .i ku'i pa cmene cu vasru su'o valsi > > .imu'a lu .kot.divuar. li'u cmene pamei gi'eku'i cmevla > remei .iji'a zo > jbofi'e cmene gi'enai cmevla .i lo jbofi'e na zasti .iku'i la > jbofi'e cu > zasti > > mu'omi'e .pier. > > > > >