From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 15 23:14:23 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdKTl-0008Nn-K4 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:14:22 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdKTk-0008Nf-Tz for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:14:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:14:20 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Vocabulary Message-ID: <20070416061420.GI14862@digitalkingdom.org> References: <301505.83848.qm@web88014.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <301505.83848.qm@web88014.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 4264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 03:08:15PM -0700, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > So, following three responses, this is my understanding of how > cmevla and lujvo enter the langauge: > > CMEVLA > > 1) Anyone can create these, but these must follow the morphology > rules for cmene stated in Chapter 4 of the Reference Grammar > (please note, though, the word "cmevla" does not appear there). "cmene valsi" isn't exactly complicated. [snip] > 3) In any case, they do not enter a cmevla list or dictionary i.e. > lojbanists need to remember them, note them down individually or > whatever. Important ones certainly could be put into jbovlaste; it has the facility for it. But in general, cmene are useless outside of context. Why should I tell you that John's name is .djan. if you haven't met him? For that matter, if you don't know who he is, *how* would I convey to you the association between the person and the name. > LUJVO [snip] > 2) Robin decides who gets a Jbovlaste account. Anybody with an > account can vote. Robin often solicits others' opinions, for the record. > 3) Once a new lujvo is approved by the voting process, it becomes > official - which means (if I understand Pierre) that it enters the > official baselined lists in gimste, mao'ste and CLL. Good lord no! For one thing, gimste == gismu liste, and hence doesn't have lujvo. ma'oste == cmavo list, and hence doesn't have lujvo, and the CLL has no lujvo lists that I'm aware of. There is nothing official about jbovlaste yet; some day, it may (or may not) be used to make a dictionary, but if it is, it will be edited in various ways I'm sure. Until then, it's just a community project. > First of all, please confirm my understanding is correct. > > The inevitable questions are: > > 1) Robin, how do you decide who gets an account? I assume that I > would not as I am only a beginning beginner. Demonstrated ability to form complete (that is, fully defined) lujvo that aren't obviously broken. A decent understanding of the language as a whole is a plus. > 2) How many votes must be received before the lujvo becomes > official? Please stop using the word "official" here; it doesn't pertain. The number of jbovlaste votes required before the word shows up in the jbovlaste search engine or in a for-printing dictionary dump is "more than all the other definitions for the same word", which almost always means that 1 vote is sufficient. > 3)The lists referred to above seem to be for gismu and cmavo - so > where are the official lujvo? There aren't any. > 4) Where do I find the CLL list? I thought the CLL is the same as > the online Reference Grammar, and there is no word list there. It is, and there isn't. I have no idea where you got the idea that the CLL has word lists. -Robin