From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 20 06:42:17 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HetNN-0005xb-NV for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:42:14 -0700 Received: from web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HetND-0005wi-RQ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:42:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 25981 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 13:41:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=xXyoHS+nMCKCdPC2eGjR3xKE4cy8Vlp8THf/hM316oy8SNZ2gc6AP9ZD6oA1sJwqIKQ0/7FP7V3Qd5/bI4H+1htF6lgOwNLK06Ed/xZLWvksTvmOCJkTOgLUWMp4gbNJwWjMsmP0K05RbXKg7hJpRljdho86JZqGX42xXaGP8po=; X-YMail-OSG: B9m9bNUVM1mjrEj6pWqbOAKbDPwPnhvUEpIaZBMRUHpSHJTTFNHFaJSFcLfnZFoINQ-- Received: from [74.96.97.233] by web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:41:56 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Constructive comments requested. To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Message-ID: <625064.23499.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Score-Int: -7 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4332 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Colin, I write as a complete novice, but I have a professional marketing communications background. It's gerat that you are trying to do this! A good lojban dynamic website, as opposed to a Wiki, is certainly needed to attract new people. Wikis are ok once you've roped the newbies in and on the way - but you've got to get them in the first place. From personal experience, I can state that the lack of visual pizaz and the contradictions that are a necessary aspect of wikis can be really offputting ! Take a look at http://www.interlingua.com/ and http://www.uea.org/ to see a credible attempt at doing what's needed. I would love to do something like this. I did the websites for the company I work for - using an outside software company as I am not a programmer. What's needed is an open-source Content Managfement System like OpenCMS or Typo3, a programmer with graphics design abilities to craft it and, above all, time (obviously stolen from lojban-learning activities). Anybody out there interested? In any case, the question you need to ask yourself first is what is your prime target audience (non-linguist newbies, students from university language departments, experienced professionals etc). Then, what do you want to achieve (attract new people, keep the existing base happy etc). Websites that try to be all things to all men just don't work. mu'o mi'e .andrus. ----- Original Message ---- From: Colin Wright To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Cc: lojban@solipsys.co.uk Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:38:06 AM Subject: [lojban-beginners] Constructive comments requested. I was touching my web site the other day and remembered the page on the lojban language. It's minimal, and perhaps needs expanding, but I was wondering if anyone here would care to comment on it. http://www.solipsys.co.uk/new/LojbanLanguage.html?LJ_BL I'd particularly appreciate comments from beginners as to what might be added to allow for different interests and reasons for starting lojban. I'd also be interested in comments from experienced users for a "next phase". Where should people go for the next stage in finding out more? What would people recommend? What page(s) on the wiki are especially useful as entry points? What other "official" lojban web pages are well suited to get people started. Thanks. Colin http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=ColinWright -- Dr C.D.Wright, Director of Innovation and Engineering Denbridge Marine Limited, Cammell Lairds Waterfront Park, Campbeltown Road, Birkenhead, Wirral, Merseyside, CH41 9HP. Tel: +44 (0)151 649 4080 Fax: +44 (0)870 051 8953 Mob: +44 (0)7980 57 22 96