From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 23 09:42:05 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hg1c4-0002C3-BW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:05 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.239]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hg1by-0002Bn-Sp for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:03 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 12so142196nzp for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=eDJI0npO/VzEqv7m/ipqUOqYGw/XnYV8q53w+c72KHNEOcvd8SdfdfrH9rl+S3C3yafW26c8iJctR1dsA295vHWo+OrqPFC1bWSKnKOHMUmavHumbK2XN0/7E7UpMWV8QKO3X4PEZyTrByUsyg0GLVl6kCK23WMCep0ceet5Shs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=BzqOQ/BAEGlwPsHQKqfhkydGGB5B710yf2zw4sVcDoX3SBueXFVoaOWs144U1GGfYdvTJwCFN266fthCS+nGgWC1ieuIt34F9clVlAyfqvkCjLCVvjkR6hn0Qf66GbA0GP3aZIdMfosWOKlsZV4xIWTDOKpL7klWAZFU/WLhu5w= Received: by 10.114.126.1 with SMTP id y1mr2608003wac.1177346517033; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.109.5 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160704230941w230ebadal3871c1dbdf94841a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:41:56 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: New lojbanist asking about "po'e" and "lo" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_107841_2121527.1177346516797" References: <12d58c160704221513l39365a34s33805cad064dd970@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 21278b77d85cdfd4 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: -20 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4382 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_107841_2121527.1177346516797 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/23/07, Adam D. Lopresto wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, komfo,amonan wrote: > > > I would say { po'e } is definitely wrong and { po } almost definitely > wrong, > > because they imply ownership, and it's hard to imagine a scenario in > which > > one wishes to assert ownership over one's father. > > I'm afraid you're definitely wrong. Although {po} and {po'e} can be used > for > possession, they are much more broad than that. {lo patfu po mi} and {lo > patfu po'e} are both absolutely fine. The Lojban words are about > association, > not possession. e'e nai Thanks for the clarification. The English definition of {po'e} implies possession to me, but interestingly the Lojban-in-Lojban definition in jbovlaste aligns with your assertion. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_107841_2121527.1177346516797 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/23/07, Adam D. Lopresto <adam@pubcrawler.org> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, komfo,amonan wrote:

> I would say { po'e } is definitely wrong and { po } almost definitely wrong,
> because they imply ownership, and it's hard to imagine a scenario in which
> one wishes to assert ownership over one's father.

I'm afraid you're definitely wrong.  Although {po} and {po'e} can be used for
possession, they are much more broad than that.  {lo patfu po mi} and {lo
patfu po'e} are both absolutely fine.  The Lojban words are about association,
not possession.

e'e nai Thanks for the clarification. The English definition of {po'e} implies possession to me, but interestingly the Lojban-in-Lojban definition in jbovlaste aligns with your assertion.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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