From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 15 13:35:46 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 15 May 2007 13:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho3kH-0008K0-TM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:35:46 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho3kE-0008Jt-Tx for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:35:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 17852 invoked by uid 503); 15 May 2007 20:35:33 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 15 May 2007 20:35:33 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail5.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 15 May 2007 20:35:33 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 15 May 2007 20:35:07 -0000 Received: from 88.179-224-89.dsl.completel.net (88.179-224-89.dsl.completel.net [89.224.179.88]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:35:07 +0200 Message-ID: <1179261307.464a197b4d528@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:35:07 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Starting to learn... but how? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.224.179.88 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 X-Spam-Score-Int: 7 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4474 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners That's a good point, James. But... kids learn a lot of other things in the first few years, too. And they learn to speak without any specific help (no language teacher around, no special recordings to listen to, no textbooks around, no systematic method etc.). I guess, adults who concentrate on learning a lanuage and with access to specific help can learn faster. Learning a foreign language does take time. If you really want to learn it well you want to go to a country where the target language is spoken and work/live/study there for about 2 years... If in addition, you take regular lessons in that country you can probably accelerate this a bit. Just one hour per week (even with a good support/help) and no pratice/exposure during the rest of the week is not sufficient. Even if you are motivated and do that for 10 years or so... Of course learning skills, attitudes, etc. vary greatly from person to person. Martin Selon james riley : > Remember how much time it took to learn your first language using that > method? If you can expose yourself to a new language completely for 2 or 3 > years then you might be able to speak it fluently, but until I can afford > that break I'll stick to my current methods. > > mu'o mi'e cmacis