From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat May 19 18:27:01 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 19 May 2007 18:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpaCK-0007pf-Bt for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 18:27:00 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpaCH-0007pW-NB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 18:26:59 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA704CEA8C for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: balcurnu Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:26:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1179616589.6558.3.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1179616589.6558.3.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705192126.53517.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: 5 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4526 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Saturday 19 May 2007 19:16, Einar Faanes wrote: > Is this a correct translation of the english text below? > > lojban: > > ni'o le balcurnu goi ko'a zbasu le dertu .e le munje .e lei remna .i > ko'a du roda .ije ko'a du le nunji'e .i loi bradi be ko'a du loi remna > pe loi minji du le nunmro The last sentence is grammatical, but is pretty certainly not what you mean. {minji du} is a tanru, and making a tanru with {du} is pretty odd. Also {loi bradi be ko'a du} is not {loi bradi be ko'a cu du}, which is probably what you were thinking, but {loi bradi be ko'a be'o du}, another tanru. {du} is a cmavo, but acts like any brivla, including requiring {cu} sometimes, except for one thing: it can take {ra'o}, which makes sense for {go'i} and {no'a} but not for {du}. > ni'o le balcurnu goi ko'a cu xabju vi ti .i pu bo le remna pu cusku le > nu ri go'i .i mi cusku lu go'i li'u .i ko'a le nunji'e cu dunda gi'e > lebna .i ko'a cu kakpa zbasu ro lo kevna be loi dertu poi selxa'u lei > remna .i lei xamgu remna cu sinma ko'a .i loi bradi be ko'a cu djicu lo > nu catra .i le jdapre cu cusku ga'u ti ko'a xabju ma vi ti? {cusku le nu} is semantically anomalous. Normally one cusku lo sedu'u co'e .a lu li'o li'u. {ro lo kevna be loi dertu poi selxa'u lei remna}: This says that humans live in dirt. If they live in caves, it should be {ro lo kevna be loi dertu be'o poi selxa'u lei remna}. mu'omi'e .pier.