From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 20 10:59:41 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 20 May 2007 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hppgy-000457-8e for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 10:59:41 -0700 Received: from lakepoint.domeneshop.no ([194.63.248.54]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hppgv-00044z-Po for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 10:59:39 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (97.84-48-60.nextgentel.com [84.48.60.97]) (authenticated bits=0) by lakepoint.domeneshop.no (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4KHxUIS014807 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 19:59:30 +0200 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: balcurnu (take two) From: Einar Faanes To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20070520170226.GJ7871@digitalkingdom.org> References: <288407.87268.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070520170226.GJ7871@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:59:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1179683970.5172.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lakepoint.domeneshop.no id l4KHxUIS014807 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 X-Spam-Score-Int: 14 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 4538 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: einar@bommelibom.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners søn, 20,.05.2007 kl. 10.02 -0700, skrev Robin Lee Powell: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:17:56AM -0700, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > > I have a problem with the translation of 'Great Worm'. Surely, > > {balcurnu} means a very big worm, > > [...] > > ralju is a much better choice than banli here. > > ralju ral principal > x1 is principal/chief/leader/main/[staple], most > significant among x2 (set) in property x3 (ka) > [...] > > Once capitalized, a word is no longer generic - often it becomes > > unique. So how do we impart special significance in lojban? > > Wouldn't one way be to make it a name: {la bulcurnu} ? I think the worm is some kind of nonphysical god-figure. Then {cevni} should fit pretty well I think. In this context I think a cevcurnu would be more correct. Maybe still coupled with {la} and not {le}. Einar.