From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 23 09:26:15 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 May 2007 09:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqtfC-0008Vg-0V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:26:14 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hqtf7-0008VS-Tt for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:26:13 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so72696ana for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:26:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qP7TiMJo5T69bH3+zpZVrwUc24g6hP/F4IUQ5fC8q4FUSsecoboP8lOcMkqQfSx7H7QUb7SWG49s7Lll4L6i/XVuBUdi8+ljVMuNQdUT/S9jGf9YxVklKzqR3ZECrdPla3NZAx1QyGTW4z8t3eDnt8o/128hhJyRx7BW9GPKJAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iyWs5HQHCIuCeRf305PWPLDFmAP3VLPypdDz76bnaiVRNaVC4ezBzvcn//HEudefyJw6GTeZ3kaoaTNUrTzhgnerxzpcju9QYhsORUW56ph1+Wh87/u8lQMpoU+h/M/KKXdk/6SN5ZNqKsbkxJN/4WOKEqCHBelvrmrZUm7udig= Received: by 10.90.49.19 with SMTP id w19mr704880agw.1179937565961; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.19 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0705230926w62a0bfcw84567c66230aacf2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:26:05 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojbanization In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0705230854s4b2cb0cl5e1f78454782267d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70823_24889435.1179937565912" References: <2f91285f0705230545h102beb4q6548c42b932bf299@mail.gmail.com> <537d06d00705230748m3663c21cyd795cb06767bbedd@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0705230854s4b2cb0cl5e1f78454782267d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: 5 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4615 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_70823_24889435.1179937565912 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'll go with {x}. And let's say the word "holon" is lojbanized as "sidbrxolon". Just for an exercise I did a translation of a bit of an article from Wikipedia. Those who has got time, please do check this agains= t the original. -------------------------------------- la'o gy holon gy to la'o gy holos gy po'u le xe fanva be fi xelso bei fe zo mulno toi cu da poi ca du le se pagbu .e le pagbu .i le go'i cu pu se finti la .artar.keslar. fo la'o gy The Ghost in the Machine gy to de'i 1967 ju'e 48 paprysfe toi ni'o la'o gy holon gy goi le sidbrxolon cu le ciste to .a le fasnu toi poi se'a se pagbu gi'e ji'a pagbu be le bramau ciste .i sy la'a sidbo lei ciste co vasru simxu .i ro ri no'u lei tecmau ratni kantu ku bi'i lo mulno munje cu ka'e se sidbo sy .i vi lo foldi be lo na'emarji le valsi .e le sidbo .e le sance. .e le cinmo to roda poi ka'e se zatfa'i toi cu da'i ca pagbu be zo'e gi'e ca'o simlu le nu ponse loi ra pagbu ------------------------------------- A holon (Greek: holos, "whole") is something that is simultaneously a whole and a part. The word was coined by Arthur Koestler in his book The Ghost in the Machine (1967, p. 48). A holon is a system (or phenomenon) that is a whole in itself as well as a part of a larger system. It can be conceived as systems nested within each other. Every system can be considered a holon, from a subatomic particle to the universe as a whole. On a non-physical level, words, ideas, sounds, emotions=97everything that can be identified=97is simultaneously part of something, and can be viewed as having parts of its own. ------------------------------------ mu'o mi'e vid ------=_Part_70823_24889435.1179937565912 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'll go with {x}. And let's say the word "holon" is lojba= nized as "sidbrxolon". Just for an exercise I did a translation o= f a bit of an article from Wikipedia. Those who has got time, please do che= ck this against the original.

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la'o gy holon gy to l= a'o gy holos gy po'u le xe fanva be fi xelso bei fe zo mulno toi cu= da poi ca du le se pagbu .e le pagbu .i le go'i cu pu se finti la .art= ar.keslar. fo la'o gy The Ghost in the Machine gy to de'i 1967 ju&#= 39;e 48 paprysfe toi

ni'o la'o gy holon gy goi le sidbrxolon cu le ciste to .a l= e fasnu toi poi se'a se pagbu gi'e ji'a pagbu be le bramau cist= e .i sy la'a sidbo lei ciste co vasru simxu .i ro ri no'u lei tecma= u ratni kantu ku bi'i lo mulno munje cu ka'e se sidbo sy .i vi lo f= oldi be lo na'emarji le valsi .e le sidbo .e le sance. .e le cinmo to r= oda poi ka'e se zatfa'i toi cu da'i ca pagbu be zo'e gi'= ;e ca'o simlu le nu ponse loi ra pagbu
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A holon (Greek: holos, "w= hole") is something that is simultaneously a whole and a part. The wor= d was coined by Arthur Koestler in his book The Ghost in the Machine (1967,= p. 48).

A holon is a system (or phenomenon) that is a whole in itself as we= ll as a part of a larger system. It can be conceived as systems nested with= in each other. Every system can be considered a holon, from a subatomic par= ticle to the universe as a whole. On a non-physical level, words, ideas, so= unds, emotions=97everything that can be identified=97is simultaneously part= of something, and can be viewed as having parts of its own.
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