From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 23 10:47:12 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 May 2007 10:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HquvW-0002C8-KE for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 10:47:11 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HquvT-0002Bb-0d for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 10:47:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 25931 invoked by uid 503); 23 May 2007 17:45:27 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 23 May 2007 17:45:27 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail82.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 May 2007 17:45:27 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 May 2007 17:47:06 -0000 Received: from 68.26-225-89.dsl.completel.net (68.26-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.26.68]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 19:47:06 +0200 Message-ID: <1179942426.46547e1a60fa0@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:47:06 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: Lojban mailing for beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] dicussions about basic vocabulary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.26.68 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4618 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hello everybody, Recently, I've asked for help to find Lojban equivalents to "apparently simple" words like "neighbo(u)r" or "bicycle". And I sometimes got several different replies and you have started to discuss alternatives, meanings, pros and cons, correcting each other, etc. Is that because this is a beginners mailing list, i.e. because some of you participants are beginners yourself and struggle with words exactly as I do? Or is it some intrinsic feature of Lojban itself? Meaning that the Lojban vocabulary is not well defined (yet)? Objetcs having several properties to focus on may be discribed and, eventually, named differently. That probably holds for any language. But for basic words (like the ones stated above) most natural languages seem to have few alternatives and a "classic" or "mainstream" solution (at least regionally). Martin